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Yeah, but say you want to chat with random people from here or something. Right now you have to add everyone into a chat and whatnot.

Oh yeah, speaking of which, I heard Australian players are getting another copy of the game in order to play US people. What a silly solution. :lol:
 
No, she wanted to do it. She even changed her name to "Sarah McKerrigan" in order to "own" the name (much like the Ultimate Warrior). :lol:

I guess the real test will be whether or not she can carry the next expansion/sequel/whatever it is called. Her VO work has been rather small roles and she hasn't really had to show any range whatsoever (which is what I find annoying about "actors" vs "voice actors"), so we'll see.

i'm not worried, since the VO actors are being directed by Andrea Romano.

since i knew/know where the Dr. Hanson mission ended, i made it a point to keep her on my ship as long as possible. Tosh... i dumped him as soon as nova popped up... next playthrough i will keep him as long as i can since they still respond to everything that is going on.
 
Oh yeah, speaking of which, I heard Australian players are getting another copy of the game in order to play US people. What a silly solution. :lol:

The thing is the current setup kinda borks one of the main features of Battle.net/RealID for Aussies/Kiwis: cross-game chat. For WoW we're bundled with United States/Canada/Mexico, but for SC2 we're bundled with S.Korea/Singapore/Malaysia/Phillipines. Dumb. :lol:

And of course there are gameplay issues either way: higher latency with North America, language difficulties with South-East Asia. And Blizzard claims it's not economical to give Aus/NZ its own cluster. As Indonesia continues to develop that might change ... their most important international telecoms links will be (well, are) to Singapore and Sydney.
 
I just remembered Halo ODST, which had this "all star" (by nerd standards) cast that didn't really amount to anything.
 
Raynor- Out here, people struggle to get by with the most basic of technologies. A ship will bring you work; a gun will help you keep it. A captain's goal is simple: find crew, find a job... keep flying.




I can't be the only one thinking "FireFly" while playing this game


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Yeah, I pointed this out earlier. Blizzard has no original ideas whatsoever. :p

They have no original composers either.

Listen to the music that plays in this sequence at 3:12.
Than listen to this track from the Firefly soundtrack at 1:25.

Not only is the music the same, but they also carry the same bloody title. Coincidence?! :wtf:
 
And another thing. Is it me, or is this game just one gigantic sausage fest? There are hardly any female characters in this game worth noting, and the ones that do show up aren't all that interesting or crucial to the overall plot.

I mean, let's look at the cast roster:
Jim Raynor = Male
Tychus Findlay = Male
Graven Hill = Male
Matt Horner = Male
Egon Stetmann = Male
Rory Swann = Male
Arcturus Mengsk = Male
Valerian Mengsk = Male (btw, WHO THE &^%$ ARE YOU?!)
Zeratul = Male
Horace Warfield = Male

And for the women?
Kerrigan: The person everyone wants to kill.
Ariel Hanson: A character that you have the option to kill. If not, her role is done when her story is complete, so kind of the same thing.
Nova: The one shot mission character who doesn't join your crusade if you side with her.
Mira Han: Another one shot character who is forgotten once that mission is over.

Well, this certainly paints a good picture, doesn't it? Surely the folks at Blizzard/Activision have nothing but respect for their female characters.....right?.......RIGHT?!
 
Didn't want to read the whole thing for fear of spoilers but does it matter which mission you choose to do first? Will I get to go back and do it?
 
Didn't want to read the whole thing for fear of spoilers but does it matter which mission you choose to do first? Will I get to go back and do it?
It doesn't matter for most of the game. At some point you will get a mission, doing which will block you from doing other missions that you still haven't done, but you will get a warning before beginning it.
 
No, she wanted to do it. She even changed her name to "Sarah McKerrigan" in order to "own" the name (much like the Ultimate Warrior). :lol:
So, maybe that's why they replaced her?
She might've pissed of Metzen with that.
It's his character afterall, not hers.

They have no original composers either.

Listen to the music that plays in this sequence at 3:12.
Than listen to this track from the Firefly soundtrack at 1:25.

Not only is the music the same, but they also carry the same bloody title. Coincidence?! :wtf:
It's called an homage...

And another thing. Is it me, or is this game just one gigantic sausage fest? There are hardly any female characters in this game worth noting, and the ones that do show up aren't all that interesting or crucial to the overall plot.
Um, yeah...Kerrigan isn't crucial to the overall plot.
Right...
In case you haven't noticed, Kerrigan is and always has been the most important character in Starcraft.
 
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No, she wanted to do it. She even changed her name to "Sarah McKerrigan" in order to "own" the name (much like the Ultimate Warrior). :lol:
So, maybe that's why they replaced her?
She might've pissed of Metzen with that.
It's his character afterall, not hers.

Um.. You do realize that the name wasn't a complete duplicate (Sarah McKerrigan), and I don't think that was the reason she went for that name. In fact, here's a little something that was showcased years after she took on that name. Footage of StarCraft 2 videos of Kerrigan voiced by Glynnis Talken Campbell herself.

Clip 1: New Gettysburg Storyboard sequence that was showcased at Blizzcon 08.
Clip 2: Kerrigan's reveal in a completed cinematic at Blizzcon 08.

If Blizzard really took issues with that name, why would they invite her back to voice Kerrigan? And no one at Blizzcon said a darn thing about this being a 'temporary voice'. I know because I was there at Blizzcon 07,08,09 and went to the SC2 panels. The one in 09 was when the ball was dropped.

It's called an homage...
That was a pretty big moment for Jim and his entire crew for it to be solely done as an homage. Either way, they're taking somebody else's work here.

Um, yeah...Kerrigan isn't crucial to the overall plot.
"Hardly any". Kerrigan is obviously one of them. She was strong and prominent in the first two games, but compared to this one, she doesn't do much except have a prophecy tossed onto her. I can only hope she gets a better role in the expansion than she did here.
 
Some people are trying way too hard here. Of course there's trying too hard, and then there's trying way, way too hard. :rolleyes:

+1 on Kerrigan being the most important character in the SC universe. And gee, y'think she might show up in the Zerg campaign? :lol:

And of course Selendis (the current Protoss Executor) is female too, and may, just may, feature in the Protoss campaign.

Christ, you could at least complain about something half-reasonable like the fact that the female units are nurses/taxi drivers for men who do the real fighting (of course this involves ignoring the Banshee unit) or that the female units have (some) sexualised soundbytes whereas the male units do not. The latter is, on paper, a half-reasonable complaint, but I can't seem to give a shit.

And It's no surprise that Blizzard borrowed heavily from Firefly. The Terrans in the first game were basically cowboys too. Hell, you can look at the UED / Koprulu Sector thing as akin to the American North/South. It's not subtle: they used a Confederate flag for crissakes. And in the interim between the two titles, a phenomenal new IP comes along that fits in just about perfectly with what Blizzard is going for. So of course they borrowed from it. It's no different than what they did with Aliens for the first game. But that's a little older and half of all games in existence have been modelled on Aliens, so people don't notice that so much. :lol:

On to less wankery matters: the writing in SC2 is truly bizarre. For every three or four lines which are utterly banal, there's one which is fine and another which is great. And amidst the generally bland characterisation there are moments of what could've been compelling development if only we gave a shit. Regardless, the overall effect is disconcerting in much the same way as watching the Star Wars prequels: there's too much money on the screen for this shit to sound as bad as it does.
 
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It's strange because it assumes the player is male, so none of the male units even think to flirt with the "commander". Of course, if you're meant to be playing as Jimmy, I suppose that makes some sense.

I still think the Kerrigan thing was basically a desperate attempt to make the game appealing to more than just the hardcore SC players. Fanboys like to objectify women from their favourite shows, so it's almost like they trotted her out just to put a face on the game/franchise. Much more so because now Kerrigan is the whole basis of the Starcraft mythology - it wouldn't be surprising if Helfer shows up to pimp the game on Fallon whenever the Zerg campaign launches.
 
Christ, you could at least complain about something half-reasonable like the fact that the female units are nurses/taxi drivers for men who do the real fighting (of course this involves ignoring the Banshee unit) or that the female units have (some) sexualised soundbytes whereas the male units do not. The latter is, on paper, a half-reasonable complaint, but I can't seem to give a shit.

In-game expendable units are one thing, but characters that carry the story are another. And while you may say Kerrigan is the most important character in the SC universe, this is not her story. And while there may be hope that the next expansion will give her something big to do, I doubt Activision's recent attempts to remove and discourage female leads in their most recent games will help in those matters.

And the notion that you don't give a sh&% is... well... kind of a bummer. I don't want to make you care, because that's your business for which I can understand and accept. I'm just saying that being ok with this trend of male dominant characters and silently hoping for the best won't really accomplish much.

Fanboys like to objectify women from their favourite shows, so it's almost like they trotted her out just to put a face on the game/franchise. Much more so because now Kerrigan is the whole basis of the Starcraft mythology - it wouldn't be surprising if Helfer shows up to pimp the game on Fallon whenever the Zerg campaign launches.

There is always simplicity and charm when you have relatively unknown talents do the voice work for your characters, especially when the said talent literally brings those characters to life. It allows the viewers to focus more on the character in question than the person who's voicing it. You think it was the mouse cursor sized character sprite or the expressionless profile shot the size of a desktop folder that made Kerrigan who she was? Maybe it was just the story? Ok, take all the voices out, replace them with subtitles and get back to me. See if that grabs you as much as the voices did.

And I'll be blatantly honest here. Tricia Helfer is a talented actress. While I disliked the new Battlestar Galactica with a passion, I do enjoy some of the roles she's played outside of that show. I'll even say that if Glynnis couldn't do the voice for Kerrigan for whatever reason, Tricia would be a darn good replacement. But as it stands, there's not one good reason for this replacement. I especially don't like it when reviews and articles speak positively about how some of the original actors from the original games are in this new one, when the most iconic character of the whole franchise was re-casted just because they wanted a name to go with it. Talk about disingenuous.
 
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how do you know "they wanted a name to go with it"? i havent seen any ads mention Tricia Helfer... so if they got her for name recognition, they are doing an absolutely abysmal job using her for that reason. it's such a bad job, that i find it very hard to believe they got Tricia for name alone.

now, what if Blizzard knows how the story will go, and decided "Hey, this is more dramatic than the last SC. let's make sure that the people we cast before can pull off what we need. let's see if there are people who can do it better..." and then had casting for all roles across the board, and decided Tricia had better acting chops than McKerrigan.

that scenario seems far more plausible now that the game is out and no one is mentioning the cast.
 
now, what if Blizzard knows how the story will go, and decided "Hey, this is more dramatic than the last SC. let's make sure that the people we cast before can pull off what we need. let's see if there are people who can do it better..." and then had casting for all roles across the board, and decided Tricia had better acting chops than McKerrigan.

A. Don't fix what isn't broken.
B. It's Glynnis Talken Campbell. Sarah McKerrigan is her book name.
C. Why look for better when her performance was universally praised? Heck, even gamespot said that she deserved her own 1-900 number. I DOUBLE DARE you to find one review out there that says her performance was just mediocre.
D. Have you even played the original StarCraft games?
E. And this is just my opinion. Tricia Helfer was not better.
 
I know they trotted her out at BlizzCon. Certainly when she and half the cast of Firefly was in Halo ODST, their names were mentioned in the PR. Heck, BioWare did it with Seth Green and all the other lower tier stars that showed up in the Mass Effect games.
 
now, what if Blizzard knows how the story will go, and decided "Hey, this is more dramatic than the last SC. let's make sure that the people we cast before can pull off what we need. let's see if there are people who can do it better..." and then had casting for all roles across the board, and decided Tricia had better acting chops than McKerrigan.

A. Don't fix what isn't broken.
B. It's Glynnis Talken Campbell. Sarah McKerrigan is her book name.
C. Why look for better when her performance was universally praised? Heck, even gamespot said that she deserved her own 1-900 number. I DOUBLE DARE you to find one review out there that says her performance was just mediocre.
D. Have you even played the original StarCraft games?
E. And this is just my opinion. Tricia Helfer was not better.

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a double dare... say i could find a review, what does that prove. and to that point, a review is just an opinion. no more valid than your opinion or mine.

in fact, i havent even said if Glynis is better than Tricia... all i did was suggest that maybe the guys at Blizzard had everyone read for parts again and they cast the people that could pull off the vision they have...

as for if i have played the original SC. i have. i still have my original Terran box sitting at home.
 
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