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Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4 - 6?

Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

Hey, someone's gotta clean up the mess once the Galactic War is finished.:bolian:
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

first i want to say that i'm a star trek guy, i'm not a big fan of star wars. i enjoy the sci fi elements and the action, but the fantasy is just a huge turn off.

ok, so i asked this question in another thread and nobody seemed to have an answer so i felt the question deserved its own thread. with all those millions and millions of droids we saw in eps 1-3, why didn't we even see just one droid in eps 4-6?

Spin it back on to Star Trek; why is Data such a marvel in the 24th century when Kirk met more human like androids in 23rd?
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

'cos all those broke and Data didn't.


oh wait....
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

Lucas has explained in audio commentaries why he used the droid army. Palpatine doesn't need the force to "control" the clones remember, they already have built in genetic loyalty matrixes or whatever you want to call them, i.e. Order 66 was an example of this.

Order 66 itself wasn't built in genetically; genetics doesn't work that way. The clones were genetically modified in some way which made them more docile and less independent overall, so that they would be more likely to follow orders unquestioningly.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

^ You know what I meant, and you yourself just said that they were modified genetically which was kind of my point in the first place. There was no need for force control.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

first i want to say that i'm a star trek guy, i'm not a big fan of star wars. i enjoy the sci fi elements and the action, but the fantasy is just a huge turn off.

ok, so i asked this question in another thread and nobody seemed to have an answer so i felt the question deserved its own thread. with all those millions and millions of droids we saw in eps 1-3, why didn't we even see just one droid in eps 4-6?

Spin it back on to Star Trek; why is Data such a marvel in the 24th century when Kirk met more human like androids in 23rd?

Magic.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

Lucas has explained in audio commentaries why he used the droid army. Palpatine doesn't need the force to "control" the clones remember, they already have built in genetic loyalty matrixes or whatever you want to call them, i.e. Order 66 was an example of this.

Order 66 itself wasn't built in genetically; genetics doesn't work that way. The clones were genetically modified in some way which made them more docile and less independent overall, so that they would be more likely to follow orders unquestioningly.

I always took Order 66 to mean something else. I took it as the clones being "programmed," or brainwashed, or whatever, into being loyal to Palpatine ultimately, not the Jedi. As long as Palpatine orders them to obey the Jedi, the follow Jedi orders. When he orders them to attack the Jedi, they do so.

I never took it as some kind of genetic Easter Egg or some kind of way to make them docile.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

The scene is implying that they were already "programmed" to betray the Jedi and obey the Emperor's commands. They were always meant to be the proto-Stormtroopers.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

They were always meant to be the proto-Stormtroopers.

Which is made quite obvious by the inclusion of the Imperial March in AOTC.

The scene is implying that they were already "programmed" to betray the Jedi and obey the Emperor's commands.
Admiral Shran said:
I took it as the clones being "programmed," or brainwashed, or whatever, into being loyal to Palpatine ultimately

Yes - they obey the Chancellor's commands because they are conditioned to follow legitimate orders from the Republic chain of command, and the Chancellor is at the top of that chain.

Admiral Shran said:
I never took it as some kind of genetic Easter Egg or some kind of way to make them docile.
AOTC said:
LAMA SU: You'll find they are totally obedient, taking any order without question. We modified their genetic structure to make them less independent than the original host.
AOTC said:
LAMA SU: Apart from his pay, which is considerable, Fett demanded only one thing - an unaltered clone for himself. Curious, isn't it?
OBI-WAN: Unaltered?
LAMA SU: Pure genetic replication. No tampering with the structure to make it more docile... and no growth acceleration.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

with all those millions and millions of droids we saw in eps 1-3, why didn't we even see just one droid in eps 4-6?

No droids? Off the top of my head:

In Stars Wars (I refuse to call it Ep 4), the Jawas' sandcrawler was full of droids. That little thing on the death star that Chewbacca growled at was a droid. At the end of Empire, Luke is put in a healing tank under the care of medical droid. Earlier in the film one of the admirals mentions thousands of probe droids searching for the rebels. In Return of the Jedi, Jabba actually has a droid torture room.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

Maybe he meant the Battle droids?

There's IG-88 in ESB, who in both "Clone Wars" series we learn his model dates from that era... (Ovverding the old EU story about him being created by the Empire).

Going by extra-movie sources:

The game "Dark Forces" as well as some other video games featured the Darktroopers, who were sort of battle droid/Stormtroopers.

Also during the NJO the Republic starts using the Hunters, although they look more like Terminators than the more inhuman TF droids.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

with all those millions and millions of droids we saw in eps 1-3, why didn't we even see just one droid in eps 4-6?

No droids? Off the top of my head:

In Stars Wars (I refuse to call it Ep 4), the Jawas' sandcrawler was full of droids. That little thing on the death star that Chewbacca growled at was a droid. At the end of Empire, Luke is put in a healing tank under the care of medical droid. Earlier in the film one of the admirals mentions thousands of probe droids searching for the rebels. In Return of the Jedi, Jabba actually has a droid torture room.

Not to mention that three-legged trash can and a protocol droid that I saw a few times. I think they were called Arty Deco and Goldenrod. Or something.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

@Set Harth...do you ever post other than to comment/correct other people's threads?
 
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Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

Set Harth, I forgot about that scene where Lama Su talks about the genetic modifications, probably because I hate the prequels.

Stars Wars (I refuse to call it Ep 4)

As do I. But I just call it A New Hope.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

The Empire was prejudiced against aliens, so this probably extended to anti-droid as well. They'd only use droids when absolutely necessary, such as the Probots.
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

The scene is implying that they were already "programmed" to betray the Jedi and obey the Emperor's commands. They were always meant to be the proto-Stormtroopers.

but the stormtroopers weren't clones?

why did he switch to normal men if the clones were so effective?
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

with all those millions and millions of droids we saw in eps 1-3, why didn't we even see just one droid in eps 4-6?

No droids? Off the top of my head:

In Stars Wars (I refuse to call it Ep 4), the Jawas' sandcrawler was full of droids. That little thing on the death star that Chewbacca growled at was a droid. At the end of Empire, Luke is put in a healing tank under the care of medical droid. Earlier in the film one of the admirals mentions thousands of probe droids searching for the rebels. In Return of the Jedi, Jabba actually has a droid torture room.

yah, but those aren't the droids we see in eps 1-3... no battle droids
 
Re: Star Wars: Why didn't we see any wreckage from the droids in Eps4

^ Who says the Empire still isn't using clones in the OT? There's also the possibility to consider that the Empire started holding recruiting drives. Just because there are "programmed" clones doesn't mean that regular troops can't be conditioned with Imperial propaganda and all that.
 
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