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Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

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What's with this whole 'needing' idea? You could say there was scope for a 2nd movie, but certainly nobody needed it. Nobody needed the first one either, but it ended up being a huge gamble that turned into an incredible movie. I think the same is true of Empire. Following up Star Wars shouldn't have worked, but somehow it did. And, while I don't think Empire is better than ANH, I do think it's the one that created what Star Wars became more than its predecessor and took it from amazing space adventure to something more.

Making another nine was maybe pushing it.

I’m just saying my life would have been just fine with the original.
 
I preface the following criticism with this: I had fun at Rise of Skywalker. It's not a good movie, but it's a fun one. Like the prequels in that respect. And there are a number of parts that I felt were excellent, but they work in spite of the whole, not in accordance with it. Some movies are greater than the sum of their parts. This movie fails to live up to the potential of it's parts.

The movie’s pacing is brutal and relentless and unfortunately that leaves some moments unearned. The movie really could have stood to be three hours or with some tweaking, could have easily become two parts.

No, what this movie needed was to edit out all of the useless padding and fat to give scenes room to breathe. The McGuffin chase is almost completely unnecessary. Everything from finding the dagger and Chewie getting captured to Rey realizing Chewie is alive can be cut and you literally lose nothing from this movie. The entirety of the Kajimi segment is padding for the run time, and nothing more. I like that we got a hint of the person Poe was before he became the Resistance hot head we know, but there isn't a single beat in that entire sequence that has any weight or meaning. Threepio loses his memory to translate the dagger (Which makes no sense, by the by. If you're going to outlaw the translation, why program him with the language?), but promptly gets it back. Zorri and Babu Frick are fun and likable so that we'll feel bad when Kajimi gets destroyed, but then they survive anyway, so what was the point?

You could easily cut 40 minutes from this movie as is. If you have cut sequences you want to add back in or just wanted to film new stuff to work the characters or give the movie some room to breathe you could still get the run time under 2hrs 15. The problem isn't that the movie's pace is relentless, it's that easily a third of the movie serves no purpose. It's a video game fetch quest to fill time.
 
Okay, but seems like that could apply to any movie? And I kinda think that's part of what makes Empire great, the fact that nobody actually needed it but it turned out wonderful anyway.

You are taking this far too seriously. It’s a comment about my feelings. Obviously the film exists. As do nine others. Can’t do anything about that. Nor ultimately would I really want to.
 
I figured with her being played by someone as recognizable as Keri Russel, we'd see her face at least once.
I'd never heard of her.

I've just looked her up and she's done a fair amount, but little I've heard of.
 
So those little furry dudes on Endor aren't named Ewoks? And Maul survived TPM's bifurcation without explanation?

Well, yeah. That's kind of how Star Wars canon has worked from the beginning. If a future movie decides they're not actually called ewoks but spacebears, then they're called spacebears. And yes, if in a future movie they give an explanation of how Maul survived that contradicts the comics or whatever, then that's how he survived. What happens on screen in a film supersedes everything else. That's how it's always worked.

The name Palpatine first appeared in the novelization of A New Hope, which was written by George Lucas.

Ghost written by Alan Dean Foster. George Lucas didn't have much to do with it.

I know all this is old news by now, but it does show that ultimately, none of this is Lucas' Star Wars

Arguably, it never really has been. The original trilogy was a collaborative effort, when Lucas was finally in a position to have his cake and eat it too, we got the prequels and we all know how that turned out.

Yawn.

Do better next time.

Fair. Not my best moment.

For what it's worth, I thoroughly enjoyed Rogue One the first time I saw it and found myself enjoying it less and less on repeat viewing, pretty much the opposite of my reaction to The Last Jedi.
 
That's how it's always worked.
Not in the new canon. Everything is equal.

Also it was a TV series headed by George Lucas that brought Maul back, and it was his idea to bring him back.
Though how he was brought back, that he left to the writers on the show, he didn't write that.
 
I'd not heard of Felicity. I remember Grunberg from Heroes and Monaghan from LOTR and Lost.

I’m more familiar with the last 2 shows myself, I don’t think felicity made it across the Atlantic (at least, not on a mainstream basis) but JJ definitely seems have his repertory of recurring actors. I vaguely even recall his and her track record with Felicity being mentioned when M:I3 came out.
 
Arguably, it never really has been. The original trilogy was a collaborative effort, when Lucas was finally in a position to have his cake and eat it too, we got the prequels and we all know how that turned out.
Yes, we do. It concluded with a widely praised, critically acclaimed box office smash.
 
Not in the new canon. Everything is equal.

And it was a TV series headed by George Lucas that brought Maul back, it was his idea to bring him back.
Though how he was brought back, that he left to the writers on the show, he didn't write that.

Eh, fair enough. Guess I've been out of the loop for one entire TV series then.
 
Poor Hux. They ruined his character so badly in TLJ that he was replaced by another English actor. Poor guy died before Kylo was offed as well.
 
Well, yeah. That's kind of how Star Wars canon has worked from the beginning. If a future movie decides they're not actually called ewoks but spacebears, then they're called spacebears. And yes, if in a future movie they give an explanation of how Maul survived that contradicts the comics or whatever, then that's how he survived. What happens on screen in a film supersedes everything else. That's how it's always worked.

A prime example is Uncle Owen. In the novelisation of ROTJ, Obi-Wan tells Luke that he (Luke) was sent to be raised by Obi-Wan’s brother Owen (and everyone assumed the tension between Obi-Wan and Owen to be typical fraternal stuff). Then, during production of AOTC, the character guide on the SW website suddenly dropped this description of their relationship on its character page. Some months later the film appeared and we discovered that Owen in fact was the son of the man who had married Anakin’s mother.
 
True, though as Tuskin38 pointed out, since the old EU was sidelined, everything has equal status now.
 
And yes, if in a future movie they give an explanation of how Maul survived that contradicts the comics or whatever, then that's how he survived. What happens on screen in a film supersedes everything else. That's how it's always worked.
Yes, I understand that. But you said that if it doesn't happen in a movie, it doesn't happen. That's not the same thing.
 
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