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Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

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Yes, I understand that. But you said that if it doesn't happen in a movie, it doesn't happen. That's not the same thing.

Fair enough, I admit I was wrong about that.

Actually re-reading some of my posts I've been kind of an ass and I owe this whole thread an apology.
 
I want a rey film where she stands as her own character without any of the original cast propping her up.

She has earned her place as a great jedi.

I’d honestly be okay with that. I think there’s a possibility for more films with these characters. This one definitely leaves the door open. I do like the characters. And it’s time for them to stand on their own.
 
I’d honestly be okay with that. I think there’s a possibility for more films with these characters. This one definitely leaves the door open. I do like the characters. And it’s time for them to stand on their own.

From what I can tell from interviews and such, Daisy Ridley can't be done with Star Wars soon enough. Though I suppose if Disney backs enough dump trucks full of money into her driveway she could be persuaded to take a different stance.

But seriously, I think the fandom has utterly turned her off any interest in being part of the franchise moving forward.
 
From what I can tell from interviews and such, Daisy Ridley can't be done with Star Wars soon enough. Though I suppose if Disney backs enough dump trucks full of money into her driveway she could be persuaded to take a different stance.

But seriously, I think the fandom has utterly turned her off any interest in being part of the franchise moving forward.

Well, fandom fucking sucks somedays.
 
I’d honestly be okay with that. I think there’s a possibility for more films with these characters. This one definitely leaves the door open. I do like the characters. And it’s time for them to stand on their own.
Well with the Emperor finally gone, Nom Amor can finally get the signal out to invade. :)
 
So i just came back and here are my thoughts in no particular order (some heavy spoilers of course)

Life will go on if you haven't seen the movie, it suffers from a general badly planned trilogy (if planned at all) so it has the unenviable task of bringing it all together and giving it a good sendoff - something the movie doesn't quite achieve but also couldn't due to all the mess that came before.

- Using Palpatine was the biggest weak point.. he just appears out of the blue, corny villian twirling his mustache and going "Ha! It was me all along!" - it just doesn't work, at all. Abrams may have planned the end differently but since Johnson killed off Snoke like a chump he had to scramble and go back to well

- it plays it too safe - in the middle we are led to believe Rey kills Chewbacca by accidentally hitting his transport with Force Lightning - a mere 2 minutes later it is revealed that there were actually 2 transporters and Chewbacca survived :rolleyes:

- Plot holes galore.. just one example: Palpatine manages to build a gigantic Star Destroyer fleet (seems like 100+ SDs). Where do the ressources come from and most important - the crews? The movie doesn't care and apparently only wanted the visual (which admittedly looked cool)

- The Force can now apparently beam objects across distances :rolleyes:

- movie looks very stunning i have to say, great set pieces

- Chewbacca breaking down after he hears about Leia's death was heartbreaking

- they actually kept the appearance of Harrison Ford a secret! That was one of the cool moments (Luke reappearing as a Force Ghost was also cool but then again it seemed Hamill was always a little closer to the fandom than Ford)


Ultimately the new trilogy never managed to find its own story, it always went back to the generous source that was the original trilogy and using its elements to satisfy the fans. While it may have been ok for the first movie as a sort of transition they should have cut the cord with the next movies but didn't.
What killed the trilogy however was the apparent lack of true plan for the trilogy.. what does it want to say, what should the general story be and what was it about? New Star Wars should have taken a clue from the way the Marvel movies were organized and planned.. some things took 22 movies to pay off but when they did it was glorious.
The MCU approach may have been a little restricting for directors and creative writers as they had to work within the confines of the larger story but ultimately all the elements came together to form something larger.

So yeah.. i hope Disney learns from this and adapts. Find a true showrunner who maps this all out Feige or JMS style and keeps control over it instead of wandering off to do other things and maybe then you will have both a commercial and critics/fandom hit.
The old empire had 25,000 star destroyers at its height. That's from Disney canon.

It stands to reason those star destroyers where not built on that planet but where scraped together from survivors of the old empire and retrofitted.
 
Though I suppose if Disney backs enough dump trucks full of money into her driveway

That must be what it took to get Denis Lawson back, even for a short cameo. From what I’ve heard, he thoroughly hated Star Wars. They must have driven a convoy of dump trucks loaded with cash up to his house and promised him it was the last in the series.
 
I'd not heard of Felicity. I remember Grunberg from Heroes and Monaghan from LOTR and Lost.
It's not a JJ Abrams production, but she was also the lead actress in The Americans. I think at this point that is probably her best known role, or at least her most acclaimed.
I’d honestly be okay with that. I think there’s a possibility for more films with these characters. This one definitely leaves the door open. I do like the characters. And it’s time for them to stand on their own.
I never read the story for fear of spoilers, but I did see an article the other day saying that Kathleen Kennedy has said they are not done with the new characters.
Who were all of the Jedi who spoke to Rey before she fought Palpatine? I had trouble identifying anybody but Luke.
 
Rey’s linage confuses me. Since when did Sidious have a kid. So if TFA is 35 ABY and her dad was in his mid 30’s when she was around 6, he would have had him sometime in the Dark Times. I find it hard to imagine that he was much of a lady magnet back then, or that he had much interest into the fairer sex.
I would have just said that Rey was the kid of one of his clones that broke away and wanted nothing to do with becoming Emperor.
What's point of being a emperor if you cant have a harem?
 
No. Only because I hated that storyline. It literally turned me off from the EU.

I didn’t hate it exactly, but it felt less like Star Wars and more like ordinary pulp sci-fi to me at that point.

I know he had concubines in the old EU but he never seemed like the chap who was interested in the ladies.

I got the impression he had a son purely as a matter of practicality but didn't count on him having a conscience and a mind of his own.
 
I know he had concubines in the old EU but he never seemed like the chap who was interested in the ladies.
No, he seemed like the kind of guy who would put his DNA into 20 women to bear him a small army of offspring he could later sacrifice and possess.
Who knows how many more of them are out there.

Dark Rey seemed to be there in her blink and you miss it scene just for the trailer shot.

Charlie from Lost was in this, cool.

anyway, I think I like it enough , not decided on a final assessment yet.
It certainly went back to old formulas.
 
Who were all of the Jedi who spoke to Rey before she fought Palpatine? I had trouble identifying anybody but Luke.

Anakin, Obi-Wan (both), Mace Windu, Ahsoka, Kanan, Qui-Gon, Yoda, Ayla Secura, Adi Gallia, Luminara Unduli and I believe Luke.
 
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