Spoilers Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Grading & Discussion

[ScottJ85]

I was pretty disappointed that they walked back one of the most interesting parts of TLJ and ran with it in a bullshit direction, but once I got past that I found myself thoroughly enjoying it. Besides, Star Wars wouldn't be what it is without some occasional ridiculous bullshit.

 

[thribs]

I was pretty disappointed that they walked back one of the most interesting parts of TLJ and ran with it in a bullshit direction, but once I got past that I found myself thoroughly enjoying it. Besides, Star Wars wouldn't be what it is without some occasional ridiculous bullshit.

What were the interesting parts of TLJ?

 

[Shawnster]

And if we're going by your metric, then I'm 1 for 4, since The Mandalorian doesn't have any Skywalkers.

2 for 4. Solo was excellent but was a casualty of bad press. It wasn't because the movie sucked or was unwatchable. Unlike the Ewok movies.

There's a special place in hell for people who mention the Ewok movies. Right next to the people who talk in theaters.

 

[DigificWriter]

Knowing what I know both from the spoilers and the first reactions from a person whose opinions I value and trust, I don't understand the notion that TRoS ignores or retcons anything from TLJ.

 

[ScottJ85]

What were the interesting parts of TLJ?

The part between the opening title and the end credits.

I'm specifically talking about Rey's parentage.

 

[Tuskin38]

Rey’s parents are still nobodies. Like as in no-one knows who they are.

Plus Kylo was the villain in TLJ, why would you trust anything he says?

 

[thribs]

The part between the opening title and the end credits.

I'm specifically talking about Rey's parentage.

But barely anything interesting happened in TLJ. Just the death of a villain we barely knew and a few Resistance people dying.
They didn’t change Rey’s parents. They just added more to it.

 

[Campe]

But barely anything interesting happened in TLJ. Just the death of a villain we barely knew and a few Resistance people dying.
They didn’t change Rey’s parents. They just added more to it.

TLJ was a character study and I get that's not necessarily fun for all. I, for one, found the stuff that happened to Rey, Ben and Luke to be some of the most fascinating of the saga. Of course, YMMV.

 

[DigificWriter]

Plus Kylo was the villain in TLJ, why would you trust anything he says?

Because he doesn't actually tell her anything; what he does is get her to confront and admit a truth she'd always known but had willfully ignored and suppressed.

 

[ScottJ85]

But barely anything interesting happened in TLJ. Just the death of a villain we barely knew and a few Resistance people dying.
They didn’t change Rey’s parents. They just added more to it.

Yes, they added more to it, in a way that completely undermined the point of her parents being junk traders. The point was that to be strong in the Force, you didn't have to come from a famous bloodline, that a powerful Jedi could come from anywhere.

For me, the way the Force was explored in TLJ actually managed to connect with me on a spiritual level, something that very few movies have ever succeeded in doing.

And for what it's worth, most of the criticisms I've heard of TLJ sound exactly like something I would have once said about ESB back in the day.

 

[DigificWriter]

Yes, they added more to it, in a way that completely undermined the point of her parents being junk traders. The point was that to be strong in the Force, you didn't have to come from a famous bloodline, that a powerful Jedi could come from anywhere.

For me, the way the Force was explored in TLJ actually managed to connect with me on a spiritual level, something that very few movies have ever succeeded in doing.

And for what it's worth, most of the criticisms I've heard of TLJ sound exactly like something I would have once said about ESB back in the day.

I don't think you understood the actual point of the Rey/Kylo conversation in TLJ where he gets her to admit the truth to herself about her own lineage if your takeaway was "you don't have to be from a known bloodline to be powerful".

 

[Tuskin38]

It’s funny because JJ said in an interview I think last week, that he doesn’t think family/blood should make you strong in the force, but then we have Rey here

 

[ScottJ85]

I don't think you understood the actual point of the Rey/Kylo conversation in TLJ where he gets her to admit the truth to herself about her own lineage if your takeaway was "you don't have to be from a known bloodline to be powerful".

That wasn't my only takeaway, there was a lot going on with that reveal.

You know, it's late where I am, I'm tired and not arguing my point very well, I'm going to make a polite exit before I embarrass myself too badly.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ As I noted, the point of that conversation was Kylo getting Rey to admit to herself a truth she'd always known, which is why there is nothing at all contradictory about the things that TRoS reveals about her parents, specifically her father.

 

[BillJ]

I'm not sure I have the will to write much more about it right now. A lot to process. And frankly, I feel a bit irritable. The last time I left a movie feeling like this IIRC was Star Trek Into Darkness. Now... what do they have in common I wonder?

I loved Into Darkness, so now I'm really stoked for Sunday.

 

[KennyB]

Can you imagine the fanboy shit storm online if ESB was released in 2019...............3 years of rage that Vader was just fucking with Luke. "IF THIS TRUE I SAY WE BOYCOTT FOX AND LUCAS!!!!!!!!"

 

[BillJ]

Can you imagine the fanboy shit storm online if ESB was released in 2019...............3 years of rage that Vader was just fucking with Luke. "IF THIS TRUE I SAY WE BOYCOTT FOX AND LUCAS!!!!!!!!"

That outcry would be nothing compared to the introduction of a black person into the Star Wars universe.

FORCED DIVERSITY!!!

 

[ScottJ85]

^ As I noted, the point of that conversation was Kylo getting Rey to admit to herself a truth she'd always known, which is why there is nothing at all contradictory about the things that TRoS reveals about her parents, specifically her father.

I literally don't have the energy to actually put what I'm thinking into coherent words right now but I'll get back to you

 

[Campe]

My wife and I will be well into it in 12 hours. I've got a lot of nervous excitement around this one. Not 100% sure why. I mean, its not the first time this has been the last Star Wars movie. (But, to be fair, I don't think I knew that when I first saw Return of the Jedi and I think I was fairly burnt out with the prequels by Revenge of the Sith. I didn't even see that one opening night. I think I waited until Sunday.)

 

[thribs]

I just found what they did to Luke to be incredibly cliché. I had a feeling that was where they were leading the character in TFA and hoping there was more to it. They didn’t give him a proper saber battle before they offer him.