Spoilers Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Grading & Discussion

[Prax]

You know what would have been really great?


..if the resistance had been using tie fighters and other imperial era equipment, and the First Order using something totally different.

It would have added a bit of creativity, made in-universe sense, and probably would've sold a lot more toys.

 

[fireproof78]

The MG-100's on the other hand are all about ordinance delivery. They're bunker busters, carpet bombers used to dig Imperial holdouts out of fortified positions. After the war a lot of them were re-purposed by mining companies to crack open asteroids, which should give you some idea as to their raw destructive potential. Hell, it only took *one* of them to take out a dreadnought, something I don't think even a whole squadron of B-wings could pull off.

Is that the Resistance bomber?

 

[Lakenheath 72]

Prax,

That is probably something which one might see in reality. However, it was probably something never considered for the film as the TPTB were concerned about confusing the audience.

 

[Tosk]

Rewatched last night, still really like the stuff I liked the first time, still bummed out by the long slow chase structure and some of the editing choices. But I think I don't hate it, which is cool.

 

[Reverend]

Is that the Resistance bomber?

Yup.

 

[Set Harth]

We have one scene of the bombers. Are we to judge all Star Wars bombers by that scene?

Why is the Resistance using the slowest bombers we've ever seen on screen in the franchise?

 

[fireproof78]

Why is the Resistance using the slowest bombers we've ever seen on screen in the franchise?

Because they are poor.

 

[General_Phoenix]

A huge risk at losing a lot of personnel on those bombers too. A crew of 5 to operate the ship, you lose a ship or two and you start racking up the losses big time. I can only imagine how difficult it is for pilots escorting/protecting them on runs.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

40 years ago, I had thoughts of the Alliance using scavenged TIE fighters. Then I found out that they were designed on the premise that the fighters -- and their pilots -- were considered cheap and expendable.

 

[General_Phoenix]

Yeah, very few TIEs have shields, and the ones that do (Advanced/Avenger, Defender, Phantom etc.) saw limited production runs.

I really want the Assault Gunboat (Star Wing) to be included in the new EU.

 

[LJones41]

Why in the world would Holdo trust him with the details of the plan? Why? He should be relieved of duty and court martialed.

I agree. However, I also found Holdo withholding her evacuation plan from everyone, until the last minute rather questionable, as well. They could have evacuated a lot earlier and set about finding allies within the galaxy. Also, If Finn and Rey were able to leave the Resistance convoy via a transport under the noses of the Resistance and the First Order, why didn't Poe realize that evacuating was a pretty good idea?

 

[Gepard]

I agree. However, I also found Holdo withholding her evacuation plan from everyone, until the last minute rather questionable, as well. They could have evacuated a lot earlier and set about finding allies within the galaxy.

A few days after the movie came out, I ended up in a discussion about it with a (woman) manager at work, and she hated Holdo's characterization and her withholding of information, for pretty much that same reason. She couldn't wrap her head around not at least briefing the people working for you about there being a plan, even if you can't share details. Granted that this is civilian vs. military in the movie, but...

(I as a non-managerial type was okay with it, but I totally understand the other view.)

 

[Set Harth]

40 years ago, I had thoughts of the Alliance using scavenged TIE fighters.

The old Marvel comics had an arc about the Rebels using stolen TIEs.

 

[Prax]

Why in the world would Holdo trust him with the details of the plan? Why? He should be relieved of duty and court martialed.

I agree. However, I also found Holdo withholding her evacuation plan from everyone, until the last minute rather questionable, as well. They could have evacuated a lot earlier and set about finding allies within the galaxy. Also, If Finn and Rey were able to leave the Resistance convoy via a transport under the noses of the Resistance and the First Order, why didn't Poe realize that evacuating was a pretty good idea?

Poe saved everyones life by destroying that ship in the beginning. He was one of the most senior officers on the ship. I'm assuming Holdo wasn't an Admiral by career, but a civilian leader who was given the authority under the circumstances(as we've seen with the strange way ranks are awarded in Star Wars in the past).

She had no reason to keep him in the dark, other than pride.
Leia & Holdo had no plan other than getting to a hideout, cornering themselves, and hoping someone would answer their distress call, which no one did. By the end of the film, almost everyone is dead. Even Holdo's self sacrifice was not planned, but a last second innovation. She planned on just dying aboard.

There's a simple solution to all this:

Make a second jump! Everyone knows that when you flee to hyperspace, you have to make a second jump. If you don't, anyone can track you, not just the First Order.

 

[fireproof78]

I agree. However, I also found Holdo withholding her evacuation plan from everyone, until the last minute rather questionable, as well.

I'll have to rewatch but I'm pretty sure they were concerned about how the First Order was tracking them. Which, pretty much means that the plan is definitely "need to know."

Poe didn't need to know. He needed to follow orders and prove his trustworthiness to the leadership. And, if he defied Leia, how could Holdo trust him? How?

She had no reason to keep him in the dark, other than pride.

See above. Holdo had every reason to not trust Poe.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

Why did Holdo not tell Poe?

LEIA: She was more interested in protecting the light, than seeming like a hero.

 

[Tosk]

I'll have to rewatch but I'm pretty sure they were concerned about how the First Order was tracking them.

Doesn't Finn (and Rose?) explain in great detail how the active tracking works? They certainly know enough to plan an elaborate side mission.

...Relatedly, if it's so damn easy to sneak off from the chase, why don't they all do it?

 

[fireproof78]

Why did Holdo not tell Poe?

LEIA: She was more interested in protecting the light, than seeming like a hero.

Yes, how dare she not trust someone who flagrantly disregarded orders and got several pilots and crewmembers killed for disobeying orders.

 

[David cgc]

Doesn't Finn (and Rose?) explain in great detail how the active tracking works? They certainly know enough to plan an elaborate side mission.

They explained it to Poe, who decided to be petty and throw Holdo's "need to know" stuff back in her face. As far as she knew, there was just a regular old mole on-board.

...Relatedly, if it's so damn easy to sneak off from the chase, why don't they all do it?

They did. Poe was upset by it. It was a whole big to-do, there was a mutiny and everything.

 

[Prax]

Yes, how dare she not trust someone who flagrantly disregarded orders and got several pilots and crewmembers killed for disobeying orders.

And saved everyones life by doing so. If he hadn't disobeyed orders, they'd all be dead. She got nearly everyone killed later anyway.

They explained it to Poe, who decided to be petty and throw Holdo's "need to know" stuff back in her face. As far as she knew, there was just a regular old mole on-board.



They did. Poe was upset by it. It was a whole big to-do, there was a mutiny and everything.

Poe though she might be the mole.