Spoilers Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Grading & Discussion

[starsuperion]

And your point is?

First, there is the law of diminishing returns. Meaning each successive entry SHOULD make less than the one before. I will be the first to admit that I think a Star Wars film a year is a BAD idea. It makes something that was once special far more commonplace.

Still, second, you obviously aren’t interested in Disney Star Wars, which is totally cool. But most people I know don’t continue to attack something they don’t like. They choose to find other ways to expel their energies. You seem to be invested in spinning its failure no matter what. There are things in every fandom I have interest in that I don’t like, but I do my best to say my peace and let it go. I just don’t understand the necessity not to live and let live.

Some people just want to defend something endlessly too. But this is a discussion about it. If all you want is happy talk about your favorite franchise there are echo chambers everywhere online for it. Go there and have a blast. Here at least the debate and discussion rage on. I don't hate all of Disney Star Wars, but I'm not a fan. However, it does have good production values and cool tech..so there's that aspect those of us upset by the storyline can at least share with other fans. So all's not lost. We can come together around other aspects of the movies and enjoy in that. Merry Christmas!

 

[Saul]

Watched the film again today. Plays better the second time when you are prepared for the 'fuck Star Wars' moments.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Not giving this movie another dime in ticket sales is my fuck Star Wars moment.

I know it's not much and it certainly brings me no joy, but it's all I have.

 

[Saul]

That's fair enough. Wasn't planning to see it again but apparently I had mentioned to a friend a few weeks back that I would watch it with them. Nothing really else on at the moment anyway.

 

[Booji]

Not giving this movie another dime in ticket sales is my fuck Star Wars moment.

I know it's not much and it certainly brings me no joy, but it's all I have.

Good for you little fella. Want a doggy treat?

 

[Jax]

60.9% of board users that voted in the poll have given TLJ

B+ or better...

You wouldn't think with the way some of the threads have gone

 

[Campe]

I believe the term is “vocal minority.”

 

[Trekkin]

Good for you little fella. Want a doggy treat?

Hey, I don’t see most of the movies that come out every year.

Fuck your doggy treats, give me a medal.

 

[Wouter]

Absolutely not. It was fans reading into the leftover bits from previous iterations of the script of TFA that had her marked as a Solo-Skywalker kid before it was changed by Abrams. .

I had not heard before that in a previous iteration of TFA (Arnd's script?), Rey was supposed to be a Solo-Skywalker. This would explain a few things. Care to elaborate a bit?

It does irritate me when peole write that the Rey parentage "mystery box" was solely movie viewers reading things that were never there. TFA did invite the viewer (including the very casual viewer, offline) to wonder who her parents (or at least her extended family) were.

While TLJ did not have to reveal her as a Skywalker, it still could have handled things with more care. The scene with very young Rey crying as she sees a spacecraft leaving Jakku remains thorougly unexplained. It was heavily implied Rey was crying because her "family" was on it. It is also very unlikely that broke junkies on Jakku would be able to pay passage on such a craft, to later return and die on Jakku, no less...

Ep 9 may still turn this around, saying Kylo lied (to win Rey over) or was mistaken (could even say that Snoke had manipulated both as part of his gambit to bring them together). After all, ep 8 ignored what ep 7 seemed to imply in some cases, the same may be true of ep 9 relative to ep 8. Is Luke dead? The ending of ep.8 certainly heavily implies this, but for all we know in ep.9 it might be revealed Luke really quickly moved out of the camera's view in between scenes. After all, subverting the expectations of the audience is the game nowadays.

 

[Xerxes82]

The scene with very young Rey crying as she sees a spacecraft leaving Jakku remains thorougly unexplained. It was heavily implied Rey was crying because her "family" was on it. It is also very unlikely that broke junkies on Jakku would be able to pay passage on such a craft, to later return and die on Jakku, no less...

The implication is that they sold Rey for passage on that ship. That her crying as they fly off is her being quite literally abandoned by people who cared more about themselves than about her. That she spent her whole life convincing herself that they would triumphantly return for her, but that was self-deception to hide the hurt of being literally sold as junk.

 

[starsuperion]

60.9% of board users that voted in the poll have given TLJ

B+ or better...

You wouldn't think with the way some of the threads have gone

That just tells you the slant people here on this website have. Its not an indicator of the overall populace who saw the movie.

 

[Jax]

I wasn't referring to the general populace, only this site.

 

[Campe]

I was going to go into a tirade about movie polling but someone already wrote it for me. Instead I’ll just link to it.

 

[Set Harth]

Who in the Last Jedi said Skywalkers were special?

Luke.

Well, except Snoke. Who is presented as having horrible judgement.

And got killed by a Skywalker, for whatever that's worth.

That’s not what I said.

I know, it's what I meant.

There’s a lot of situations that can lead to someone saying ‘I don’t know what happened. There was no father.’

The funny thing about language is that she easily could have said only "I don't want to talk about that" or "it's none of your business" or words to that effect. If some deadbeat had slept with her and then took off, or if she threw the guy out, she would certainly know what happened. But instead she spins a tale of a virgin birth and says outright that she cannot explain the outcome. Why?

The scene with very young Rey crying as she sees a spacecraft leaving Jakku remains thorougly unexplained.

Really?

it might be revealed Luke really quickly moved out of the camera's view in between scenes.

Oy vey.

Same with Han, hence him asking who she his.

It was Maz who asked who she was, not Han. Besides, how does asking who somebody is connote familiarity? It's the opposite.

Btw, how did Maz Kanata get Luke's blue lightsaber from Cloud City?

Someone found it in the Cloud City shaft ( no, JJ, you idiot, it didn't float up from the Bespin atmosphere into space ), it maybe changed hands along the way, someone traded it to Maz. The end.

 

[Trekkin]

Luke.



And got killed by a Skywalker, for whatever that's worth.



I know, it's what I meant.



The funny thing about language is that she easily could have said only "I don't want to talk about that" or "it's none of your business" or words to that effect. If some deadbeat had slept with her and then took off, or if she threw the guy out, she would certainly know what happened. But instead she spins a tale of a virgin birth and says outright that she cannot explain the outcome. Why?

Two things:

1, How was I quoted without getting a notification for it?

2. You dragged this back up after nearly four days, half a dozen pages, zero interest from anyone else, and me briefly forgetting that we ever spoke in the first place.

In the meantime, Christmas has literally come and gone. Just let it be one with the Force.

 

[Wouter]

The implication is that they sold Rey for passage on that ship. That her crying as they fly off is her being quite literally abandoned by people who cared more about themselves than about her. That she spent her whole life convincing herself that they would triumphantly return for her, but that was self-deception to hide the hurt of being literally sold as junk.

That could work, if the script of TLJ had taken a little care to take this into account. So instead of saying her parent(s)/guardians/family sold her for money to be able to buy drugs, Kylo could have said she was sold to buy passage off Jakku and that those people died afterwards and never cared for her anyway. The implications remain the same, but it fits what was shown before.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Where's my doggy treat!!!

 

[DarKush]

The way I heard it, George Lucas had zero input nor had any interest in this whatsoever. So far as I recall the "objection"--if you want to call it that--came from Lucasfilm Licencing. You know, the one's who's job it was to keep tabs on this crap.
I think the reason this so often gets misreported is that certain people (be the the interviewer or interviewee) use "Lucas" to refer to the company and the man interchangeably.

For clarification point, I saw on Wookieepedia that it was Lucas who scuttled Anakin Solo. Providing a quote and a link to the article below:

During the planning stage of The New Jedi Order series, Anakin was to be the main hero who would eventually take up Luke's role as the leader of the Jedi Order. But the proposal was rejected by George Lucas, who felt that Anakin's trajectory followed his namesake's plotline in the prequels too closely; thus, creating confusion. As a result, the roles of Anakin and Jacen were reversed, which included the death later scheduled in The New Jedi Order: Star by Star.[51][52] Troy Denning, who wrote Anakin Solo's death in Star by Star, recalled in 2009 that it had taken him around seven drafts to pen the scene.[53]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anakin_Solo

 

[Claudia]

Someone found it in the Cloud City shaft ( no, JJ, you idiot, it didn't float up from the Bespin atmosphere into space ), it maybe changed hands along the way, someone traded it to Maz. The end.

Hm, but when Luke exited the shaft and hung on to that pole, the lightsaber (and his hand) flew by beside him. He even follows it with his gaze... So somehow they retrieved the saber from the planet's surface...

The implication is that they sold Rey for passage on that ship. That her crying as they fly off is her being quite literally abandoned by people who cared more about themselves than about her. That she spent her whole life convincing herself that they would triumphantly return for her, but that was self-deception to hide the hurt of being literally sold as junk.

But since it's not mentioned that Rey's a slave (or ever was a slave), what exactly was the benefit for the supposed buyer? That explanation works with what's revealed in TLJ... but I still take that revelation with a grain of salt because it was Kylo who said it, and he had an agenda that was helped by robbing her of wishful thinking etc.

 

[starsuperion]

And your point is?

First, there is the law of diminishing returns. Meaning each successive entry SHOULD make less than the one before. I will be the first to admit that I think a Star Wars film a year is a BAD idea. It makes something that was once special far more commonplace.

Still, second, you obviously aren’t interested in Disney Star Wars, which is totally cool. But most people I know don’t continue to attack something they don’t like. They choose to find other ways to expel their energies. You seem to be invested in spinning its failure no matter what. There are things in every fandom I have interest in that I don’t like, but I do my best to say my peace and let it go. I just don’t understand the necessity not to live and let live.

There's two sides to every story. There are fans who continually defend Disney Star Wars, and those who attack. Its the essence of the free exchange of ideas, regardless of the outcome. Diminished returns is a gamble Disney is willing to take to milk the franchise dry like Luke with his space cow juice. So I agree with you there. But this is a fandom discussion about Disney Star Wars. Whether we like it or not, it's important to discuss the failings and triumphs in the hopes that maybe they'll get it right. I still say Disney is treating Star Wars like Marvel Legacy..which bombed..to do it with all the legacy characters, killing them off and replacing them with new versions, is very Hollywood, and very calous and cruel to the traditional fans. Which almost feels like Disney thinks the original fans don't matter..their money does, and maybe they think just because they put "Star Wars" on a movie, those dissed fans will still buy..to a certain extent their right..sadly..

But I'm gonna use a phrase I hate, but it fits the narrative of what's currently going on in the Star wars movies of Disney..

"I'm WOKE" and not interested in their drivel anymore.