Star Wars:The Clone Wars S3......so far

[Set Harth]

It's literally "where the fuck did that guy come from and why is he in command of Vader?"

He's not really in command of Vader, though. He's in command of the DS. Though the Emperor basically told Vader to put up with him, Vader still represents the Emperor in a sense, and we can see that Tarkin acquiesces to Vader's plan to let the Falcon go.

the Republic really is corrupt (prove it to us unambiguously)

Opening crawls are canon, and have always contained material not shown on screen.

But what he said strongly implied that he could save Padme - that's a politician's definition of "not a lie."

Palpatine's "lies" are the best kind of lie: they are the literal truth. The dark side can be used to save the dying, and Sidious represents a gateway to the dark side.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I think Jinn would be a pretty cool first name.

My first thought was, "I guess it makes sense that the guy whose nickname was Annie would saddle is son with the nickname Ginny."

Okay, not very mature of me. But perhaps it explains some of the behavioral issues in the Skywalker clan.

 

[DWF]

Tarkin, not Palps, should have been the guy recruiting Anakin, and Anakin should have already been thinking along the same lines. Palps could have been pushing Tarkin, or maybe not. Palps sets things in motion and then sits back and lets them take their natural path.

This. It just fits better. When you go from Episode III to IV Tarkin is a huge anomaly. It's literally "where the fuck did that guy come from and why is he in command of Vader?" Out of all the things the prequels did wrong, the lack of Tarkin was one of the rare things that were wrong purely because they didn't acknowledge him (And that 5 second unspoken glimpse of a dude with freakishly large cheekbones in Ep III doesn't count).

Tarkin is in the end a nobody, Palpatine acted like Anakin's father and mentor that's a role that only he could play.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Tarkin is a military commander who probably obtained too much power and believed himself to be more important to the larger scheme of things than he actually was, and maybe didn't fully understand the extent of Darth Vader's authority and relationship with Palpatine.

 

[JediKnightButler]

Tarkin is a military commander who probably obtained too much power and believed himself to be more important to the larger scheme of things than he actually was, and maybe didn't fully understand the extent of Darth Vader's authority and relationship with Palpatine.

He seems to have his limits, however. Assuming that it's considered "canon", the Star Wars Radio Drama suggests that he was reluctant to take Motti's suggestion of using the Death Star to try to overthrow Palpatine- though, of course, he ultimately didn't last long enough to try anything either, so.............?

 

[Dac]

Tarkin is a military commander who probably obtained too much power and believed himself to be more important to the larger scheme of things than he actually was, and maybe didn't fully understand the extent of Darth Vader's authority and relationship with Palpatine.

But considering Darth Vader's complete autonomy and control over everyone in V and VI, Tarkin's ability to stop him choking his officers and ordering him around was something that hasnt been seen since.

Of course, the BTS explanation was that originally Darth Vader was just one in a long line of Darth assassins, slightly elevated but still subservient to military leaders. I just wanna see how they tie things together with the "new" canon.

 

[Whofan]

Lucas's original draft of Jedi actually has Moff Jerjorodd (The Moff that Vader meets at the beginning of the film) as a rival of Vader's (This is the same script that introduced the Coruscant concept-except then it was called Had Abbadon). I think George meant for Vader to be a servant of the Moffs...

 

[Christopher]

What are Moffs, anyway? Some kind of title of nobility like dukes? And if so, is it a hereditary position? That is, do they have heir-Moffs?

 

[Basill]

What are Moffs, anyway? Some kind of title of nobility like dukes? And if so, is it a hereditary position? That is, do they have heir-Moffs?

Some kind of military appointed governorship. "Sector governor" is the key terminology used in the EU descriptions. I suspect it is not hereditary however, though I wouldn't doubt some element of nepotism exits after the Empire took over. Tarkin was eventually a "Grand Moff" though Leia just referred to him as "Governor."

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Moff

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_Moff

 

[Marc]

What are Moffs, anyway? Some kind of title of nobility like dukes? And if so, is it a hereditary position? That is, do they have heir-Moffs?

Well as Zahn writes them, arrogant SOBs who think they're it

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Tarkin, not Palps, should have been the guy recruiting Anakin, and Anakin should have already been thinking along the same lines. Palps could have been pushing Tarkin, or maybe not. Palps sets things in motion and then sits back and lets them take their natural path.

This. It just fits better. When you go from Episode III to IV Tarkin is a huge anomaly. It's literally "where the fuck did that guy come from and why is he in command of Vader?" Out of all the things the prequels did wrong, the lack of Tarkin was one of the rare things that were wrong purely because they didn't acknowledge him (And that 5 second unspoken glimpse of a dude with freakishly large cheekbones in Ep III doesn't count).

Tarkin is in the end a nobody, Palpatine acted like Anakin's father and mentor that's a role that only he could play.

I doubt it will do any good to point out that the minute Palps admitted to being a Sith, all his fatherly care of the previous decades would have been exposed as manipulative bullshit, assuming Anakin's brain was operating at more than quarter speed.

But if we assume Anakin has normal level intelligence, something else must have been in play. Impatience at the blundering of the Jedi plus knowledge that the Chosen One is the only person who can end the chaos would combine to provide a reasonable motive. In that case, Palps admitting to being a Sith becomes irrelevant, as does his offer to help save Padme, which any intelligent person must have realized was an untrustworthy promise.

And in that case, Anakin should be making alliances with anyone he deems useful. Tarkin as a representative of the disgruntled military caste and Palps as a Sith (remember, the Chosen One is above the Sith and Jedi alike) would both be good candidates but Anakin should see himself as in charge of all alliances and nobody's simple-minded pawn.

 

[Set Harth]

Lucas's original draft of Jedi actually has Moff Jerjorodd (The Moff that Vader meets at the beginning of the film) as a rival of Vader's

There's a deleted scene where Vader chokes him.

But if we assume Anakin has normal level intelligence, something else must have been in play.

What could it have been, I wonder?

which any intelligent person must have realized was an untrustworthy promise.

Unless they knew about the dark side providing access to unique abilities, which is G-canon. Using the dark side to save someone from death is just another element that Lucas stole from the EU. KJA, Perry, and Ostrander didn't find it unintelligent.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Yeah Moffs are military governors and form a Moff Council. The EU has kind of expanded and explained their roles over the years.

 

[DWF]

This. It just fits better. When you go from Episode III to IV Tarkin is a huge anomaly. It's literally "where the fuck did that guy come from and why is he in command of Vader?" Out of all the things the prequels did wrong, the lack of Tarkin was one of the rare things that were wrong purely because they didn't acknowledge him (And that 5 second unspoken glimpse of a dude with freakishly large cheekbones in Ep III doesn't count).

Tarkin is in the end a nobody, Palpatine acted like Anakin's father and mentor that's a role that only he could play.

I doubt it will do any good to point out that the minute Palps admitted to being a Sith, all his fatherly care of the previous decades would have been exposed as manipulative bullshit, assuming Anakin's brain was operating at more than quarter speed.

But if we assume Anakin has normal level intelligence, something else must have been in play. Impatience at the blundering of the Jedi plus knowledge that the Chosen One is the only person who can end the chaos would combine to provide a reasonable motive. In that case, Palps admitting to being a Sith becomes irrelevant, as does his offer to help save Padme, which any intelligent person must have realized was an untrustworthy promise.

And in that case, Anakin should be making alliances with anyone he deems useful. Tarkin as a representative of the disgruntled military caste and Palps as a Sith (remember, the Chosen One is above the Sith and Jedi alike) would both be good candidates but Anakin should see himself as in charge of all alliances and nobody's simple-minded pawn.

Tarkin has even less screentime than Boba Fett, he was killed off at the end of Ep. IV and nobody thought about him after that. Just one of long line Emperial red shirts. It was nise seeing him at the end of Ep. III but he didn't say anything in that scene.

 

[Dac]

Tarkin has even less screentime than Boba Fett, he was killed off at the end of Ep. IV and nobody thought about him after that. Just one of long line Emperial red shirts. It was nise seeing him at the end of Ep. III but he didn't say anything in that scene.

Hence the disscussion about him appearing in The Clone Wars. But regardless of the amount of seconds he is on screen (which in The Original Trilogy i'd bet would level out/beat out Boba Fett) I do feel he IS the big bad in VI, when looked at as a standalone film.

On another note, I finished off spraying this Clone Blaster Toy today, and I think it looks rather smart

 

[Basill]

Tarkin has even less screentime than Boba Fett, he was killed off at the end of Ep. IV and nobody thought about him after that. Just one of long line Emperial red shirts. It was nise seeing him at the end of Ep. III but he didn't say anything in that scene.

Yeah, but Tarkin had considerably better dialogue than Boba Fett did in either trilogy. And if nobody thought of him after Ep IV, it was only because they didn't have to; He was no longer a threat. I would think of him more as a "special guest star" than the Imperial version of a red shirt.

 

[Christopher]

Yes, clearly Tarkin was meant to be one of the two main villains of the original Star Wars film, no matter how the franchise has been developed and retconned since then. I mean, you don't cast Peter Cushing in a bit role. He and Alec Guinness were the two most famous actors in the cast, and Cushing was actually billed above Guinness (and fourth overall), if IMDb is accurate. The only reason Tarkin wasn't a major character thereafter was because he died when the Death Star blew up, whereas Vader survived. And then came TESB, where Vader was elevated from Tarkin's Dragon to chief heavy and the Emperor's second-in-command, not to mention the hero's secret daddy.

 

[DWF]

Peter Cushing admitted doing Star Wars for the kids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Cushing#Star_Wars

"My criterion for accepting a role isn't based on what I would like to do. I try to consider what the audience would like to see me do and I thought kids would adore Star Wars."

His viewpoint is alot different from that of Guiness'

This past year a refurbished Star Wars seemed to be everywhere, but I have no intention of revisiting any galaxy. I shrivel inside each time it is mentioned. Twenty years ago, when the film was first shown, it had a freshness; also a sense of moral good and fun. But then I began to be uneasy at the influence it might be having. The bad penny first dropped in San Francisco when a sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly that he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times. His elegant mother nodded with approval. Looking into the boy's eyes, I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form, and I guessed that one day they would explode. "I would love you to do something for me," I said. "Anything! Anything!" the boy replied rapturously. "You won't like what I'm going to ask you to do," I said. "Anything, sir, anything!" "Well," I said, "do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?" He burst into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. "What a dreadful thing to say to a child!" she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right, but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities.
- Sir Alec Guinness, interviewed in "The Telegraph"

 

[DarthPipes]

I do recall reading an old interview with Cushing where he said he was sorry "poor old Tarkin" got killed so that he couldn't return for a sequel. And because of that, Tarkin stopped being a character in the SW Universe. Boba Fett may have more screentime in two movies but Tarkin is a bigger character overall.

Tarkin is one of those regional governors he brings up in ANH. Some of the deleted scenes in ROTS talk about Palpatine's decree to establish the governors to control territories.

Guiness clearly wasn't prepared for the Post-Star Wars environment. Then again, who could have been back in the day. He was old school. He might have soured on SW later on but he made a fortune off of those films.

As for the most recent Clone Wars episode, I very much enjoyed it once again. A lot of fun, with the action and Artoo in command. Anakin and Tarkin's interaction were definitely a highlight.

Once again, this show doesn't hold back when it comes to violence. We might not have seen the clone be cut in two but that has to be the most disturbing death thus far. And that's saying something on this show.

 

[Christopher]

People keep talking about Boba Fett's screentime, but as far as I can recall, he hardly had any in the original trilogy. He was in a few scenes in TESB, then he got unceremoniously disposed of in ROTJ's opening sequence, but I don't remember him having many actual, y'know, lines. He was more of a plot contrivance than a character. I remember him more vividly from the Star Wars Holiday Special's cartoon segment, where he actually had a personality, than I do from the films. Honestly, I've never understood how he got built up to such mythic importance in fandom (and subsequently given a major role in the prequels). Maybe it's because of his role in the capture of Han, but Fett didn't actually do that; Vader was the one who captured Han and had him frozen, with Fett being merely the guy who delivered the package to Jabba.