Star Wars: Starfighter (2027)

[fireproof78]

Palpatine in the OT I expect to die.

Sidious had shown in the PT, Clone Wars, Rebels and EU I expect to cheat death as often as possible.

 

[JD]

"I have died before."

The opening scroll also started with "The dead speak!" in reference to the message that Palpatine sent out into the galaxy announcing his return.

 

[Reverend]

I'm not buying the Mara Jade rumours for a second. I'm honestly a little surprised so many are; you'd think basic pattern recognition would have set in by now.

Well, abandoning his wife and child would be in line with the No Attachments deal. Remember, Jedi are not celibate, they can have sex. They're just not allowed to love the person they have sex with.

Not exactly. It's not that they're forbidden to love at all, it's that they're forbidden from holding onto any one person (or persons) above and potentially at the expense of all others.

That's what they mean by attachments; a person and/or thing you cannot let go of.

A prime example of this is Obi-Wan and Satine. They loved each other just as deeply as Anakin and Padme loved each other. The difference was that they both respected each others larger duties, and put them first, and did not allow their feelings to dictate their actions. Maul killed her beliving that Kenobi was attached and the loss would break him. He was wrong. When the moment came, Obi-Wan morned, and then let her go.

 

[Crewman Commander]

They ignored that Sidious was dead.

Since the 1983, I've always heard a continuation of Palpatine's scream in the sound mix when there's the blue whooshing up visual effect after his body exploded in the Death Star II's reactor shaft.

Accordingly, I believe that the premise that Palpatine's spirit survived the destruction of his body has been canonical all along.

 

[Reverend]

And I believe Palpatine's physical body died and his energy returned to the cosmic force, annihilating his individuality in the process, just like everything else. Also that the thing on Exogol was a biological clone mapped with a memory imprint, captured by the Sith Throne, which is what it's there for. The reason the clones kept failing is just a side effect of trying to brute force a high M-count.

I don't care what anyone says; that's the only interpretation that actually fits into how Lucas described the mechanics of how the whole netherworld of the force thing works.

 

[Set Harth]

The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not buying the Mara Jade rumours for a second. I'm honestly a little surprised so many are; you'd think basic pattern recognition would have set in by now

It's the same type of thinking that led to the belief of the PT bring rewritten, then the ST being rewritten etc.

Hope springs eternal.

 

[Tuskin38]

I don't care what anyone says; that's the only interpretation that actually fits into how Lucas described the mechanics of how the whole netherworld of the force thing works.

This doesn't go against what George believed at all.

 

[JD]

I'm not buying the Mara Jade rumours for a second. I'm honestly a little surprised so many are; you'd think basic pattern recognition would have set in by now.

I'm not either, if they were going to introduce her, they probably would have done it by now.
Personally, I always thought they should have brought her in in Rebels and basically switched out Luke for Kanan in her story arc.
I just find it hard to believe that the Luke we saw in The Last Jedi had ever been married, and I find it hard to believe Leia wouldn't have mentioned at some point that Luke had a Jedi ex-wife out there.

 

[Ithekro]

If they were going to spin it, I would think they never married. It be more along the lines of Obi-wan and Satine Kryze. Perhaps with unintentional child (some still speculate that Korkie is Obi's kid, since he does not seem to be Bo Katan's son, and we've not heard of any other siblings of the Kryze sisters).

 

[Nightowl1701]

I just find it hard to believe that the Luke we saw in The Last Jedi had ever been married, and I find it hard to believe Leia wouldn't have mentioned at some point that Luke had a Jedi ex-wife out there.

While I hope that isn't the plot they're going with, they could have been living at Luke's temple where he was training Ben and whoever else, and Luke assumed they died when Ben destroyed it.

If so, then Luke's behavior in 'The Last Jedi' suddenly makes a lot more sense. Especially with him blaming himself for Ben's turn, and if their relationship happened that late in his life. That would be enough to break almost anyone. Also why Leia wouldn't mention it to Rey - what would be the point if (far as she knows) they're both long dead? If Luke hadn't told her, was it really her place to?

 

[fireproof78]

just find it hard to believe that the Luke we saw in The Last Jedi had ever been married, and I find it hard to believe Leia wouldn't have mentioned at some point that Luke had a Jedi ex-wife out there.

Some griefs are too painful to put to words.

 

[JD]

If so, then Luke's behavior in 'The Last Jedi' suddenly makes a lot more sense. Especially with him blaming himself for Ben's turn, and if their relationship happened that late in his life. That would be enough to break almost anyone. Also why Leia wouldn't mention it to Rey - what would be the point if (far as she knows) they're both long dead? If Luke hadn't told her, was it really her place to?

My thinking was that Leia would have known that she was alive, and since Luke's ex-wife was a Jedi, whether she's Mara Jade or an original character, then she would have sent Rey out to find her to train her since she probably would have been more thoroughly trained that Leia was.

 

[Ithekro]

Well there is an amount of training and then there seems to be the Skywalker factor. Leia trained for a relatively short period of time, but was at least as skilled as Luke with a lightsaber when she stopped. Plus she's the one that trained Ray for about a year after Luke passed.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

...such as the ability to return in poor sequels, thus crapping on part of the triumphant defeat of Palpatine in ROTJ.

 

[Set Harth]

But it follows up on a thread from Episode III, hence the dialogue copy-and-pasted from that film.

 

[Reverend]

You know why this whole concept repulses me? It's because it all hinges on defining Mara Jade as "Luke's wife" and nothing more.

Leaving aside all of the maybes around whether or not Luke could have or should have had a romantic relationship with anyone in this period; Mara as his romantic partner was far and away the least interesting aspect of her character. She had so much more going on than that, and to think that anyone would want all of that put aside and wasted for the sake of a meaningless cameo is baffling.

If they're going to do Mara Jade in live action canon (news flash; they're almost certainly not), then I'd at least hope they do her character justice.

I've mentioned this before, but I still think the ideal way to use her character is to entirely disconnect her from Luke's story, and sub in Galen Marek, with Juno Eclipse being one of her many cover identities.

That way, you get two fan EU favorites into canon for the price of one, and you get to maintain the integrity of both of their characters and stories without compromising Luke's.
Plus let's be honest; Palpatine sending an assassin after Luke in the lead up to Endor makes no sense at all. His goal would always be to recruit him to replace Vader, and by that point, he'd already broken Vader (or so he thought) to the point where the chances of them teaming against him were negligible. Now, on the other hand; Palpatine embedding one of his assassins into Vader's staff to spy on his supposedly secret apprentice, thereby staying 10 steps ahead of him is 100% a Palpatine move.