Poll Star Wars: Rogue One Teaser Trailer!

[TRON JA307020]

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It looks like the star destroyers are to small of scale. Looking at the deathstar scene it looks like one of the star destroyers that are sitting close to deathstar could actually fit into the trench. There is no way a whole star destroyer is able to fit into the trench. I feel that the producer got the scale wrong or it could be the angle of the shot and its an optical illusion.

 

[Ithekro]

No that's about right. A Imperial Star Destroyer is a mile long (1.6 km) while the Death Star is 160 km in diameter.

Also remember the equatorial trench is not the trench the X-wings were running.

 

[Reverend]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_I-class_Star_Destroyer
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_II-class_Star_Destroyer

According to Wookieepedia that thing on the tower between the sensor domes is a tractor beam targeting array.

It amazes me how someone thought it necessary to make a whole separate article for such a minor alteration of the original miniature. Oh wait, there's a *third* article for the class overall as well as the two variants. Wow.


Speaking of that scene in the trailer, apparently there's a massive row going on on Reddit (what else is new?) about how in the trailer they could be installing the dish when in RoTS you could see part of the dish being built in situ.
I guess "because it looks really cool" isn't good enough for some people.

On a related note, Pablo Hidalgo tweeted out something about the time it took to finish the first Death Star vs the second that I've never considered before. He drew a comparison to the Manhattan Project saying something to the effect of "how long did it take the make the first A-bomb compared to the second."
It's a really good point and not one I'd ever considered. They may have had the schematics for this thing as early as the Clone Wars, but actually getting it to work must have been a colossal headache...but once they did then making a second one would have been comparatively easy. They'd have all the major bugs worked out, be able to revise design flaws that were to embedded in the original design to rectify without starting over (*cough*thermal-exhaust-ports*cough*) and perhaps most importantly, they'd have the supply chain, logistics etc. already set up and running. That hardest part would probably sourcing another batch of giant kyber crystals.

 

[Ithekro]

Well the scene in RoTS was about 18 or 19 years before the scene in the Rogue One trailer, so there would have been a lot of time to revise the Geonosian/Seperatist design.

One imagines the Death Star was designed to be upgraded, and we know from Rebels that the Empire has been having problems getting the parts they need for the superlaser. So perhaps they decided to make that part swappable so the Empire can upgrade the main weapon. Take off the dish for access to the power systems. Upgrade those (like they did for the Death Star II) and you have a weapon that can fire more than once per day at full power. Upgrade the dish and you get a weapon that can easily target capital ships that are only maybe a mile long.

 

[Reverend]

Well the scene in RoTS was about 18 or 19 years before the scene in the Rogue One trailer, so there would have been a lot of time to revise the Geonosian/Seperatist design.

One imagines the Death Star was designed to be upgraded, and we know from Rebels that the Empire has been having problems getting the parts they need for the superlaser. So perhaps they decided to make that part swappable so the Empire can upgrade the main weapon. Take off the dish for access to the power systems. Upgrade those (like they did for the Death Star II) and you have a weapon that can fire more than once per day at full power. Upgrade the dish and you get a weapon that can easily target capital ships that are only maybe a mile long.

Oh sure, I can imagine numerous scenarios that would account for the supposed discrepancy. I'm just amused at how much energy some people appear to be exerting actively *arguing* about it, or worse using it as some kind of proof of the movie being fundamentally "wrong" somehow.

My favourite idea is that the last time they tried to power it up, it blew the dish, fused the focusing array and necessitated the whole thing being replaced.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Great Trailer! 4/5

 

[Tuskin38]

and perhaps most importantly, they'd have the supply chain, logistics etc.

Exactly, the empire had just been formed, they didn't have everything set up, supply lines and all that, they didn't have every resource at their disposal.

 

[Set Harth]

My favourite idea is that the last time they tried to power it up, it blew the dish, fused the focusing array and necessitated the whole thing being replaced.

Of course, the real ( out-of-universe ) reason is likely that the prequels have such a toxic reputation ( thanks, internet! ) that many people simply won't watch them, and this includes people working and producing content for the franchise. And this won't be the last time.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Of course, the real ( out-of-universe ) reason is likely that the prequels have such a toxic reputation ( thanks, internet! ) that many people simply won't watch them, and this includes people working and producing content for the franchise. And this won't be the last time.

I would think those producing content would be required to watch all existing Star Wars movies, or at least to be familiar with the stories. It's not like sifting through 500+ episodes of Trek.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well they got the Mon Mothma actress from ROTS, so they know something lol

 

[Ithekro]

Not entirely sure, but I think you can see some of the original framing (seen in RotS) under the new dish as it is being put into place.

Something that I wonder will be kept for Rogue One, the Death Star Plans, as we saw them in A New Hope, are not the final design. The plans pulled from R2-D2 have the superlaser at the equator, which does not follow the final design, nor the Geonosis design, nor the frame seem in Revenge of the Sith.

 

[TRON JA307020]

No that's about right. A Imperial Star Destroyer is a mile long (1.6 km) while the Death Star is 160 km in diameter.

Also remember the equatorial trench is not the trench the X-wings were running.

Yeah but the Millennium Falcon got pulled into the main trench. If you look at the scale of the Falcon to the main trench there is no way a whole star destroyer could fit into that trench.

 

[Mage]

And all of that matters........why?

 

[Ithekro]

They show it again in Return of the Jedi. The bays the Falcon is in are the same as the ones used for the Imperial shuttles.

 

[TRON JA307020]

And all of that matters........why?

Because the scale may be off.

 

[Reverend]

Because the scale may be off.

Sound the alarm!

Of course, the real ( out-of-universe ) reason is likely that the prequels have such a toxic reputation ( thanks, internet! ) that many people simply won't watch them, and this includes people working and producing content for the franchise. And this won't be the last time.

I seriously doubt that's a factor.

Not entirely sure, but I think you can see some of the original framing (seen in RotS) under the new dish as it is being put into place.

Something that I wonder will be kept for Rogue One, the Death Star Plans, as we saw them in A New Hope, are not the final design. The plans pulled from R2-D2 have the superlaser at the equator, which does not follow the final design, nor the Geonosis design, nor the frame seem in Revenge of the Sith.

I think the reason for the ANH inconsistency is because those graphics were shown on a rear projection screen rather than comped in later and was based on the early concepts which did have it on the equator. IIRC most of the model work, including the Death Star was done well after the main shoot.

I always wondered with all the tampering done to these films over the years, why this inconsistency wasn't corrected. I mean it couldn't be *that* hard to rotoscope in a simple vector graphic, no?

 

[Set Harth]

I seriously doubt that's a factor.

It's not like I can prove it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. I saw the same kind of thing with some of the books prior to the "Great Decanonization". Some mistakes virtually screamed "I have no functional knowledge of the prequel timeline".

 

[TRON JA307020]

Sound the alarm!



I seriously doubt that's a factor.



I think the reason for the ANH inconsistency is because those graphics were shown on a rear projection screen rather than comped in later and was based on the early concepts which did have it on the equator. IIRC most of the model work, including the Death Star was done well after the main shoot.

I always wondered with all the tampering done to these films over the years, why this inconsistency wasn't corrected. I mean it couldn't be *that* hard to rotoscope in a simple vector graphic, no?

Its a serious mistake if it isn't a optical illusion. The scale of the trench was set in the first film. Here is a video of the Falcon being pulled in. It starts a 2:18 and goes on for a few seconds. A Star Destroyer clearly would not fit at all in the trench.

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[Reverend]

^You know there's this thing called perspective? It's when objects closer to the camera appear bigger than the things behind them...

It's not like I can prove it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. I saw the same kind of thing with some of the books prior to the "Great Decanonization". Some mistakes virtually screamed "I have no functional knowledge of the prequel timeline".

I suspect that had more to do with a lack of continuity oversight. Or rather a much less attentive one than there is now (at least until things get complicated again.)
Also it's clear some of the authors weren't exactly huge Star Wars fans. Strange as it sounds, it's almost as if some authors were hired for their ability to turn in a manuscript to a deadline rather than their knowledge of fictional minutia.

 

[Ithekro]

Consider how large the Millenium Falcon is on an Imperial Star Destroyer's bridge in the Empire Strikes Back. The Falcon is about 35 meters long so the Star Destroyer is maybe 9 times that in height.

You can see the hanger the Falcon is being pulled towards and similar ones in the distance. Take the Falcon on end and you could probably stick ten Falcons on end across the trench.

Supposedly there is a drydock in the Death Star that can work on Star Destroyers.