Star Wars Rebels Season Three (spoilers)

[Mr Light]

Two problems with the episode:
-How stupid was the Ghost crew to try and attack Maul? He's a Sith Lord. Your only hope of staying alive is not pissing him off and waiting for Kanan and Ezra to show up and rescue you.
-I think it's a little silly that combining a Sith and Jedi Holocron will create some magical mumbo jumbo super amazing thing. Sure, the Sith use "magic" and I could understand that, but I've never heard of a JEDI Holocron being anything other than a computer recording / interactive device.

Favorite moment? Ezra hugging Kanan. So touching. And so glad to see they're not making Ezra all evil because I really don't want to see that.

 

[JD]

All of this talk about Luke has gotten me thinking about how shocked I am we haven't seen the Ghost crew team up with Han and Chewie yet. I've pretty much been expecting that since the show started, and now that we've seen Lando and Leia, I find it even more surprising it hasn't happened.

 

[Reverend]

I'm intrigued at what Bendu's back story is. He seems to have very specific knowledge of not just the light and the dark in general but of Jedi and Sith in particular. Is he so old he predates both of those orders? Under what circumstances did he witness two opposing holocrons joining before?

Also, did I mishear him or did he refer to the sith holocron as "The Keeper of the Shadow Log"? That sounds like there's an interesting story behind it...

Two problems with the episode:
-How stupid was the Ghost crew to try and attack Maul? He's a Sith Lord. Your only hope of staying alive is not pissing him off and waiting for Kanan and Ezra to show up and rescue you.

One problem with that idea: he was going to kill them anyway and they knew it. Plus if Kanan had been just a second too late, those droids would have executed them. Attempting to take him down wasn't stupid, it was desperate. There's a difference.

-I think it's a little silly that combining a Sith and Jedi Holocron will create some magical mumbo jumbo super amazing thing. Sure, the Sith use "magic" and I could understand that, but I've never heard of a JEDI Holocron being anything other than a computer recording / interactive device.

As said in this episode, holocrons are much more than just libraries. How much more is still up for debate, but we've seen that a lightsider can't open a Sith holocron anymore than a darksider can open a Jedi holocron and to open both you must either be as conflicted as Ezra or as perfectly balanced as Bendu. So they have at least some direct connection to the force (probably via kyber crystals.)
Plus it wasn't like they were magically granting a wish, but creating a vergence. One that if a force user focuses in can give them perception well above what would normally be possible and it's well established that the force can transcend time and space and give glimpses into the past and possible futures.

 

[Xerxes82]

Random thought. What if they don't address what happens with the vision in Rebels, but instead they announce a Kenobi anthology movie instead that resolves this plotline?

Not going to happen. You'd have to spend too much of the movie going over the backstory of the Clone Wars/Rebels arcs that set up the film and that 99% of the movie audience have never seen. Even if just to explain how Maul, last seen in film being very, very dead is still alive. They're never going to make a movie that requires so much familiarity with the cartoons, books or comics to function.

Which isn't to say that it wouldn't make a fun movie. Anything Obi-Wan with Ewan Mcgregor would be worth watching.

 

[Samurai8472]

Have you heard the massive concerns Lucasfilm has that most of the audience doesn't understand that Rogue One is a prequel, and not the next Rey/Finn/Poe movie?

I wouldn't put it past the big wigs to put a disclaimer

"30 years before EPISODE 7"

 

[Reverend]

Not going to happen. You'd have to spend too much of the movie going over the backstory of the Clone Wars/Rebels arcs that set up the film and that 99% of the movie audience have never seen. Even if just to explain how Maul, last seen in film being very, very dead is still alive. They're never going to make a movie that requires so much familiarity with the cartoons, books or comics to function.

Which isn't to say that it wouldn't make a fun movie. Anything Obi-Wan with Ewan Mcgregor would be worth watching.

That's not as big a problem as you might think because Star Wars movies are unique in that they get three paragraphs of pure exposition while the theme music plays and people don't just tolerate it, they actually enjoy it!
That's more than enough to summarise the pertinent details. Hell, you could just dive straight in and have the first three words simply read "Darth Maul Lives!" The rest is just:"they thought he was dead but now he's back, something-something revenge yada-yada Kenobi hermiting something-something unawares."

 

[The Wormhole]

Have you heard the massive concerns Lucasfilm has that most of the audience doesn't understand that Rogue One is a prequel, and not the next Rey/Finn/Poe movie?

I've seen a few news editorials from opinionated individuals who think there that, but nothing with official backing. And the "evidence" supporting such theories is that Disney's projecting Rogue One's box office haul to be less than TFA's, but really, Rogue One likely isn't going to be the box office blitzkrieg TFA was anyway. Episode 8 won't either.

Not going to happen. You'd have to spend too much of the movie going over the backstory of the Clone Wars/Rebels arcs that set up the film and that 99% of the movie audience have never seen. Even if just to explain how Maul, last seen in film being very, very dead is still alive. They're never going to make a movie that requires so much familiarity with the cartoons, books or comics to function.

Never mind all that. Such a movie won't see release until 2020. Somehow, I think the Rebels writers have plans on wrapping this story up a little sooner than four years from now.

 

[Ithekro]

As long as Ewan McGregor can pull of an older "Ben" Kenobi, the movie would work even if people aren't sure how or even why Maul lives. The trouble would be getting 90 or more minutes out of a script about an almost 60 year old hermit and how to bring in Maul to the story. Who do you follow for that time. Who's story will be told?

It would be the post-Episode IX film though. The first film after the sequels finish.

 

[Reverend]

As long as Ewan McGregor can pull of an older "Ben" Kenobi, the movie would work even if people aren't sure how or even why Maul lives. The trouble would be getting 90 or more minutes out of a script about an almost 60 year old hermit and how to bring in Maul to the story. Who do you follow for that time. Who's story will be told?

It would be the post-Episode IX film though. The first film after the sequels finish.

I'd say it should follow Kenobi himself of course and the way you bring Maul into it is have him hunting him down or trying to lure him out. He's lost to him in single combat at least twice at this point so he's not going to underestimate him and come at him directly. The logical way to do it is to go after or somehow threaten young Luke. But that gets very tricky since you have to dance around the idea that Luke can't ever see a lightsaber being activated, nor anyone use the force or say anything incriminating in his presence.

Not that I think any of this is what they're likely to go with, but it is fun to speculate.

 

[Ithekro]

Causing a crash of Luke's Skyhopper perhaps? Knocking him out for the duration. Only waking once the battle is over and "Old Ben" is there to help him out.

 

[Reverend]

^Wasn't there something in the old lore about Ben saving Luke from something or other several years prior to ANH, thus explaining how he knew him by sight and not just reputation? I could be wrong but I want to say it was a line from the old radio shows.

 

[Mr Light]

I think that also happened in one of those interim issues of hte current Star Wars comic book.

 

[Ithekro]

There was something about that happening. I don't recall if it was a crash in Beggar's Canyon, or an incident near the Sarloc Pit. I also don't recall for sure if anyone was with Luke at that time. Windy and/or Biggs Darklighter. Or maybe I'm mixing up stories and it had something to do with a Kyrat Dragon.

 

[nx1701g]

I wouldn't put it past the big wigs to put a disclaimer

"30 years before EPISODE 7"

Wouldn't put it past them...

 

[JD]

I wouldn't put it past the big wigs to put a disclaimer

"30 years before EPISODE 7"

If they want to do something like that, they'll just do it in a text scroll.

Never mind all that. Such a movie won't see release until 2020. Somehow, I think the Rebels writers have plans on wrapping this story up a little sooner than four years from now.

Yeah, I can't really see them setting something like that up this far in advance. The closest analog we have right now to a situation like this is Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and the MCU movies, which is also done by Disney, and when we did get movie set up in AoS it was usually just in the months and weeks ahead of the movie.
If they are setting up a story with Obi-Wan on Tattooine, then I'm pretty sure it's going to happen on Rebels.

 

[Stephen!]

If Maul couldn't open a Jedi Holocron in the week's episode, maybe Palpatine couldn't either. It would explain why Cad Bane needed Anakin to open a holocron in "Cargo of Doom", rather than just delivering it to Palpatine unopened.

 

[Stephen!]

^Wasn't there something in the old lore about Ben saving Luke from something or other several years prior to ANH

That might have been either "The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi" or "A New Hope: The Life of Luke Skywalker"

 

[dahj]

If they want to do something like that, they'll just do it in a text scroll.

Didn't they say Rogue One won't have an opening crawl?

 

[Reverend]

That might have been either "The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi" or "A New Hope: The Life of Luke Skywalker"

A quick look at wookiepedia turns up 'Adventure in Beggar's Canyon' which seems to describe what I'm thinking of, though it's publication date feels to recent to me. Perhaps it's based on something earlier, like the Marvel comics or the old newspaper strips that were complied into the "classic" TPB volumes?

Didn't they say Rogue One won't have an opening crawl?

IIRC Kathleen Kennedy said that it *might* not have one, but that they were still actively discussing it. AFAIK nothing further has been said on the matter.

What I suspect they'll do (if they're not already doing it) is make one anyway and stick it at the front of the film in the editing phase just to see how it looks and make their decision from there.

Personally I can respect the argument against it in for this film in particular in order to set itself apart. However I feel that it's worth holding onto specifically because looking at the bigger picture, these "Star Wars Stories" are going to be jumping around in time and place and not necessarily following on from one another and the crawl is basically a free pass to dump exposition at the start of the movie without the need to overburden the script.

 

[JD]

Didn't they say Rogue One won't have an opening crawl?

I'm aware of that, I've actually mentioned right here in the thread, but I just meant that if they wanted to put some kind of text to establish where in the timeline it takes place, they would probably do it in an opening crawl.
I have to admit at first I thought not including the crawls would be a nice way to separate these from the Saga movies, but including them would also be a nice way to give a sold placement in the timeline.