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STAR WARS PREQUELS - a love/hate relationship

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But the PT contains a large number of elements that were never worthwhile, and can safely be rebooted, which is what The Clone Wars is busy doing. If they're trampling on the EU as well, I don't really care, being entirely unfamiliar with it."

Actually they are not trampling on the EU.

There is only one thing they did that cannot be retconned.

Dave Filoni respects the EU even if Lucas does not.
 
Actually they are not trampling on the EU.
To my understanding (I know nothing about EU), they're borrowing a lot from EU, but they don't follow it to the letter (they keep the stuff they like, and change what they don't).
 
Enterprise was pretty conscious of canon literally from the first season. The major difference is that the fourth season increased the amount of references to canon, but also built on the previous season's handling of canon - the reintroduction of Andorians and Tellarites, for example, after not featuring in any significant way in the franchise in decades.

Hell, I'll still remember falling out of my chair when I realized the series made a reference to the Axanar, and that was in the first couple of episodes. It was pretty obvious that Berman and Braga were quite conscious of the canonicity criticism from the beginning and made an effort to genuflect towards that (just as they pared down the technobabble from Star Trek: Voyager levels for similar reasons).

Even in the more notorious episodes to skirt around canon, like the Ferengi one, made a point of acknowledging tradition - when it first aired, I remember angrily complaining online during the ad breaks (good days) not that the Ferengi were there, but their admittedly ridiculous laser-whip weapons from "The Last Outpost" were nowhere to be seen.

Only to eat my words when the episode did briefly use the whip later in the hour.

This isn't a defense of the B&B years, which for me were so terrible I basically stopped watching the series, but it wasn't canon violations that drove me away - it was the terrible writing. It was bad as a series, not out of its continuity issues. More important then the epic amounts of fanwank Coto gave us, his year also had a palpable sense of fun.

The big difference is more, because it was more reference-conscious, people liked the last season more than the first two (and this includes myself), not to mention the fresh blood that Manny Coto provided.
 
Kegg, I agreem and have always though the way you do about Enterprise. They were aware of canon but also they wanted to be free to some of their own thing. I also noticed the Axanar and the Ferengi whip.

I wish people would stop bashing the first few seasons.. They were quite refreshing
 
You're both wrong. The trick is to distinguish between canon that should be kept, and canon that should be given the boot. Just because something has been done on screen does not mean it should have been. Conversely, sometimes the work of previous writers is good and deserves respect.

And who decides which is which? You? Great system, clearly not having anything to do with the aggrandizement of personal opinion.

Who ever is the show runner gets to make those decisions. You can like them or not, but that person is the one who gets to decide. They are paid to do it, and they should exercise that right.

Yup. In the end, a story lives or dies based on the talent, good sense and taste of the people telling it. The decision to accept or reject canon is just one of the many creative choices that a showrunner/writer/whoever is charged with making. They can make that decision well or badly. In the case of both Star Trek and Star Wars lately, I'm pleased to see that the trend is towards making that decision (and others) well.
 
You're both wrong. The trick is to distinguish between canon that should be kept, and canon that should be given the boot. Just because something has been done on screen does not mean it should have been. Conversely, sometimes the work of previous writers is good and deserves respect.
How does this contradict anything I said?
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I agree with you 101%.

Sorry, I must have misread what you said then.
 
Actually they are not trampling on the EU.

They're doing many things which some might consider "trampling" on the EU. They've made mistakes when insisting on "using" ( or namedropping ) existing EU locations, stolen ideas from recent books ( Jedi Twilight ) while contradicting said books in the process, and deliberately rewritten various EU groups such as the Nightsisters and the Mandalorians. Karen Traviss even quit over it. Not that I have any problem with Karen Traviss quitting - far from it - but that's just one example of the conflict.
 
Most of the stuff can be retconned.

They already promised that the Even Piell stuff is going to be retconned.
 
I'm sure it will be - if by "retconned" you mean they're going to simply act as if it had been a different Jedi in the book. Great. But they can't do much aside from that. There's no way for the text as printed to be consistent with what TCW did ( no way that isn't totally silly, I mean ), which was a completely unnecessary and avoidable result. I suppose if it turns out in future seasons of TCW that Piell is actually still alive, that would work, but I don't think they're going in that direction. And it's hard to even argue that the conflict arose from simple ignorance of CN on the part of the TCW crew, because they ripped off the main characteristic of the original death scene.
 
There is always the chance that the order of Execution came from Lucas.

I am confident in their ability to retcon it.
 
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