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Star Wars Clone Wars Season Premiere

@Christopher...Matt Lanter gave an interview with Teletoon Canada from Celebration V and he said we'll be seeing a lot more of Anakin's darker side come out this year. He said it's really the start of his fall. We've seen touches of it in the previous two seasons but with the dark undertones of this season we'll be seeing a lot more.

Interesting that Ventress and Grevious hadn't met personally before this...only exchanged orders and banter via holocom before. I liked the way she dismissed his claim that he was her equal, great facial and physical expression from the animation.
 
Yeah I barely remember "Rookies" and I just saw it again a few months ago. I certainly don't care about individual clone characters. I know they're trying to develop them a little, but they're just too interchangeable. Visually and character-wise.
I liked both episodes, despite the first being a little slow, not what I was expecting to see in a season premiere after a long break. Plus I am getting tired of the clones (yea I know it's their show, their names' in the title and everything). I kept waiting for Brick to reveal his true reasons for his contempt-he once crossed paths with Jango who slept with his wife/got his sister pregnant/kicked his dog or something. :p And the American Gladiator (old syndicated version) styled training arena was pretty cool.

But I think you've summed up my problem with the clones. Hard to get attached to them as they're all (often minor) variations of the same character.
Is their some reason why Jango has been presented as sooo special? Running out of Jango's dna, get some from other people. Back in the film's day, I was expecting the 'Clone Wars' to be something a bit more grander than depicted. Why would Dooku limit cloning to just one progenitor originally? With a series, I was hoping that they'd expand their genetic sampling beyond Fett. And the Jedi wrestling with the ethics of being party to the 'manufacturing' of sentient beings into essentially a slave warrior caste. The clone army really does need more diversity-for the show, and possible future incarnations.

Next week, oh dear. Jar Jar. :shrug:
 
Nice to see the return of Ventress, who is always an entertaining character. Her dropping sexual innuendo with Grievous was amusing.

Except it was hard to tell the sexual innuendo was there, thanks to Matthew Wood's one-note delivery as Grievous.
 
Nice to see the return of Ventress, who is always an entertaining character. Her dropping sexual innuendo with Grievous was amusing.

Except it was hard to tell the sexual innuendo was there, thanks to Matthew Wood's one-note delivery as Grievous.

Oh, it was all of Ventress side.

They actually deleted a scene (it's going to be on the DVD) at Cartoon Network's request where Ventress kisses the clone she just impaled.

And the American Gladiator (old syndicated version) styled training arena was pretty cool.

Meant to say that. It definitely reminded me of the old American Gladiator arena but even more awesome.

I liked the two bounty hunters too. Bric could have been just an asshole but his training methods do work.
 
SPOILERS!


Overall I was underwhelmed. The story line for the first episode was extremely predictable. I was also under the impression (maybe due to EU novels) that ARC Troopers were bred to be ARCs and not selected? Kind of threw me off.

The second episode was better. The choreography in the lightsaber duals was outstanding. Wonderful to see Ventress back in the mix. And they finally put Shakti in an episode, which I'd been waiting for since season 1. Missed opportunity not bringing Kitt Fisto along though. What other Jedi Master would you want with you on a water world?
 
Oh, it was all of Ventress side.

They actually deleted a scene (it's going to be on the DVD) at Cartoon Network's request where Ventress kisses the clone she just impaled.

:scream::klingon:

That pisses me off! Not that they cut the scene in the telecast, but that the scene was still cut on the version I bought from the Playstation Network.
 
Yeah didn't the novels establish the ARC Troopers were a different genetic material than the regular clones? Maybe this is why Traviss decided to stop making her clone novels, I remember it was over the new toon contradicting her stories.
 
Yeah didn't the novels establish the ARC Troopers were a different genetic material than the regular clones? Maybe this is why Traviss decided to stop making her clone novels, I remember it was over the new toon contradicting her stories.

^
To my knowledge, Traviss decided to stop writing her novels because of the contradictions that would arise from the Mandalorian arc on the Clone Wars in Season 2.

I haven't read the Traviss novels, but from the comics I think the ARCs are just highly skilled soldiers, but still come from Jango Fett's DNA template. I mean, what would be the point of attacking Kamino just for Fett's DNA and not the donor of the ARC DNA as well if they derived from two different sources?
 
And they finally put Shakti in an episode, which I'd been waiting for since season 1.
And they sideline her in the second episode, which was irritating. This was her command, yet she wasn't involved in defending it. Imagine enemy aliens boarding the Enterprise, and Kirk, Picard or Archer vanish from sight or sit around doing nothing....:cardie:
 
Yeah didn't the novels establish the ARC Troopers were a different genetic material than the regular clones? Maybe this is why Traviss decided to stop making her clone novels, I remember it was over the new toon contradicting her stories.
FWIW, the Thrawn trilogy basically has the Empire create different sets of clones for different jobs: piloting, infantry, etc...
 
I'm afraid the vast majority of Clone Wars episodes are going to have cartoonish villains, Temis. Cad Bane was really the only major villain who wasn't silly to some degree (not counting his ridiculous hat).

I just watched the first five-episode disk of CW, and my negative impressions of it have done a 180 or at least a 165. :D Which I suspected would happen if I just accepted the parts I don't like - cartoon villains, dopey battle droids as enemy cannon fodder and the essentially boring and interchangeable clones.

First off, I appreciate the newsreel-style recaps at the beginning of each episode. They're a nice reminder that Star Wars hails from the tradition of old 20s and 30s space opera serials, and even though the text crawl is famous, it would be a clumsy way of conveying the same information.

I love the way they write, voice-act and animate Anakin - if I'm not mistaken, his look is based on an adult Jake Lloyd, who being far less of a pretty-boy type than Hayden Christensen, is far closer to my idea of how the guy who becomes Vader should look - more masculine, a bit brutish (it's the forehead) and with intense, striking eyes.

He's likable and heroic, which is how Anakin should have started out. That is a huge improvement over the film strategy of making him a surly, stalker-ish brat from the outset, but leaves open the problem of how is Tartakovsky going to realistically start to move him to the Dark Side, which needs to start to happen a couple of seasons before the series end for plausibility's sake.

Sure, he's overconfident and breaks rules, but that's a long long ways from blowing up planets. He cares about the lives of Clone Troopers while Vader just sees them as disposable in his quest for ever greater power - how the heck does that transition occur? I would love it if Lucas gave Tartakovsky the rights to re-do Ep III - maybe just frakkin re-make it, with some important rejiggering of the story's major faults (no sappy excuses for why Anakin falls to the Dark Side; give Padme a heroic or at least less moronic death). I really feel that this Anakin isn't the same guy as in the movies, and is the real Anakin as far as I'm concerned. I want to see his story concluded, not that imposter from the movies.

The way Anakin is being written solves the dual problems from the movies of his relationships with Padme and Obi-Wan, both of whom are too intelligent to waste any time on an unpalatable creep like the movie Anakin, much less become a lover or friend. I never bought the idea of Anakin and Obi-Wan being friends in the movies, which destroyed the emotional weight of the Mustafar fight, but now I'm chomping at the bit to see a lot more development of their friendship that isn't just them trading breezy quips. The Anakin-Padme romance may have been utterly cringe-worthy in the moves, but with this Anakin, it could be an affecting and wonderful part of the story. Bring on the mushy stuff! Just don't talk about sand.

I also appreciate the way they're animating Obi-Wan to look more like Alec Guiness, with soulful eyes and a long, elegant, patrician nose instead of that potato that Ewan McGregor has on his face. Overall, I'm warming up to the animation style which initially put me off. Character movements are too stiff, but the faces are surprisingly evocative. There was a scene in which Anakin realizes Padme's ship is being pulled into Grevious' ship and he makes the decision to stop firing on the ship. The look of fear and concern on his face gave me a twinge, which is more than I ever felt for the live actors who played the character.

I appreciate the attempts at humor, although they often fall flat. Here's hoping that some greater thematic and character depth makes its way into the series, because right now it's okay but if it's nothing but fighting between Jedi, robots and clones, it's going to wear out its welcome very quickly. I wouldn't mind seeing some backstory into the Dark and Light Sides of the Force. While of course avoiding the pitfall of treating either as a form of mind control (that would destroy the moral dimensions of the story), I'd like more of a sense that these are real things which have an actual impact on the psychology of Jedi and Sith alike, and it's not all just talk.

There also should be more of a mystical, epic dimension to how the Force is presented, maybe tied in with its history. A visit to some ancient nexus of dark power or something like that would be a nice way to build some texture and foreshadowing into the story. I'm sure the EU provides a lot of cool, creepy, impressive places for our heroes to venture.

I seem to be writing my whole review already, so I'll just stop, and cut & paste. For the first time since the end of ROTJ (I don't even want to think how long ago that was), I'm fairly excited about Star Wars again, so I'm sure I'll blast thru the rest of S1 in a big hurry and then start an independent thread on the season while waiting for the S2 DVD release. Meanwhile, my DVR is saving all the current season. I have lots of issues with the series, but it's good and it's space opera and given how little of that is around nowadays, I'll just shut up and be happy. :rommie:
 
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Yeah didn't the novels establish the ARC Troopers were a different genetic material than the regular clones? Maybe this is why Traviss decided to stop making her clone novels, I remember it was over the new toon contradicting her stories.

No. Traviss quit because they were messing with her Mandowank. An unfortunate effect of that was it gave her more time to mess up other franchises such as Gears of War.

But seeing her and the rest of he EU fans going into meltdown over Clone Wars was one of the best things the show ever did. If we are to believe the internet, Lucas is responsible for a mass suicide of Star Wars fans. :guffaw:
 
At the risk of being a nitpick Temis ;), Genndy Tartakovsky made the 2003 micro-series, he's not involved with the current CGI series.

I believe the directors of this version worked on Avatar The Last Airbender.
 
Clone Wars works for me, I like the content of stories and the Star Wars universe we see. It continues to live up to being Star Wars Episode 2.5 ;)
 
I liked both episodes. Not great, but good little episodes. Only thing I wish that had done was aired Rookies before or between the episodes, or had some little quickie flashback moment at the end and/or start of the new episodes. It took me a moment to remember who these clones were.

Yeah didn't the novels establish the ARC Troopers were a different genetic material than the regular clones? Maybe this is why Traviss decided to stop making her clone novels, I remember it was over the new toon contradicting her stories.

No. Traviss quit because they were messing with her Mandowank. An unfortunate effect of that was it gave her more time to mess up other franchises such as Gears of War.

But seeing her and the rest of he EU fans going into meltdown over Clone Wars was one of the best things the show ever did. If we are to believe the internet, Lucas is responsible for a mass suicide of Star Wars fans. :guffaw:
It was...GLORIOUS! I read some of fanolorian (Traviss supporters) posts made back during her hissy-fit. You'd thought that Lucas killed her dog and pissed on the body by the way they were carrying on; some of them took at as a personal attack.

What was better: The number of them that swore they'd never watch another episode of Clone Wars, then ended up on 'boards talking about how much they liked the Mandolorian episodes; then back peddling like crazy to play down their epic tantrum a few weeks earlier.
 
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I can't remember what they did differently with the ARC Troopers but I believe they were supposed to have been trained personally by Jango.
 
It was...GLORIOUS! I read some of fanolorian (Traviss supporters) posts made back during her hissy-fit. You'd thought that Lucas killed her dog and pissed on the body by the way they were carrying on; some of them took at as a personal attack.

What was better: The number of them that swore they'd never watch another episode of Clone Wars, then ended up on 'boards talking about how much they liked the Mandolorian episodes; then back peddling like crazy to play down their epic tantrum a few weeks earlier.

Yes, there was a rather ridiculous 30 page dust up on the SW:TOR forums when the Mando episodes came out last season. :rolleyes:
 
I liked both episodes. Not great, but good little episodes. Only thing I wish that had done was aired Rookies buring or between the episodes, or had some little quickie flashback moment at the end and/or start of the new episodes. It took me a moment to remember who these clones were.

Agreed. This isn't the first time they've done chronologically out of sequence stories, so I would have appreciated a refresher in who those clones were and how Heavy was killed. It would have given the reference to him in the second episode a lot more weight.

Overall though I enjoyed both episodes a great deal, but the second one was outstanding from the CGI to the ship/droid design to the action. The space battle and squidships were awesome and the interiors of the capital city of Kamino (along with the maturation chamber collapsing) were extremely impressive. The training arena from the first episode was impressive as well.

I understand why they did it from a dramatic standpoint, but I wish they could have let 99 survive. He was interesting and someone you want to root for as an underdog. I assume his appearance of advanced age was one of many results of the defect in the cloning process that made him unsuitable for combat and not his natural age, since the oldest clones should be no more than in their early twenties, even with the twice normal accelerated aging.

Speaking of which, I got the impression from the bounty hunter that looked like Kelsey Grammar with a mushroom on his head that Domino Squad's poor performance (which they eventually overcame with teamwork and inginuity) was not a new thing for the most recent batches of clones. Perhaps that and 99 are a hint at the declining return in quality from each successive generation of clones that will eventually lead to the Stormtrooper corps evolving from being mostly clones to a hybrid of clones and non-clones to mostly non-cloned humans by the time of 'A New Hope.'
 
At the risk of being a nitpick Temis ;), Genndy Tartakovsky made the 2003 micro-series, he's not involved with the current CGI series.

I believe the directors of this version worked on Avatar The Last Airbender.

The supervising director, Dave Filoni, did direct multiple episodes of A:TLA, yes. And Giancarlo Volpe, who directed many A:TLA episodes, is one of the various episode directors working under Filoni.

As for Tartakovsky, he spent the past few years in development on a sequel to The Dark Crystal, which he's no longer involved with, and he's currently working on the newly premiered series Sym-Bionic Titan, which he co-created. (EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to mention, he also storyboarded some of the action sequences in Iron Man 2.)
 
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Since the censored scene from ARC Troopers hasn't made it's way into this thread yet, here you all are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE11a9BXe54

^Pretty annoyed they cut that, would've made a good episode better.

As for Clone Cadets, the cliche of it was somewhat mitigated by knowing 3/5 of them get killed in "Rookies," two of them like redshirts.

Temis the Vorta said:
I just watched the first five-episode disk of CW, and my negative impressions of it have done a 180 or at least a 165. :D Which I suspected would happen if I just accepted the parts I don't like - cartoon villains, dopey battle droids as enemy cannon fodder and the essentially boring and interchangeable clones.

Glad you're enjoying the show so far. You'll find one of the better things about this show is that the people making it are very aware of the show's faults - for instance the amount of battle droid humor drops tremendously, by the second season it's virtually nonexistent. They also make more and more attempts to diversify the clones both visually and character-wise as the series goes on. If you like where you are now, you'll love what's coming.
 
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