Star Trek XII

[jefferiestubes8]

No Eric Bana for 'Star Trek' Sequel

There will be no Eric Bana in a sequel to "Star Trek" should it be materialized. The actor who plays villainous Nero in the J.J. Abrams-directed sci-fi revealed to MovieWeb while promoting "The Time Traveler's Wife" that he is done with the blockbuster sci-fi franchise and won't make a return to the untitled Star Trek sequel.

August 01, 2009
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00026120.html

Not that we expected to see the same villain in the sequel...

 

[Mr. Crane]

I'd like them to explain Krk's sudden promotion from cadet right up to captain of the flagship over more seasoned, experienced officers...

...I would also like the film to explore the exploration element, rather than another war story with another "villain of the week"

 

[xortex]

These asses only succeeded because they finally brought Roddenberry's universe back. It only took them forty years to realize what worked and they're taking full credit for it. They had to try anything to succeed even the blasted right thing and all of a sudden JJ is a genius. If they're smart and not greedy (dream on) they will outsource the story from someone who's adept at sci-fi and/or study the vast stored up insider's information that the last incarnation had and the various people around it.

 

[USS Excelsior]

I think it would be cool to have a crossover storyline with the Prime Universe, so we see the same new actors on a replica of the original TOS Enterprise bridge as well as the original TOS on the main screen.

Also as a way of acknowledging that the Prime Universe still exists.

 

[pookha]

The prospect of an arc of some kind running through ST12 and ST13 is the best news I've heard today. Hopefully, there will also be some sort of antagonist character that would also appear in both of them, bridging the two installments, like Mr. White in the last 2 James Bond movies.

To add to the Year One feel, you could have Carol Marcus as a love interest for Kirk, and establish the rivalry with Scotty and Lawrence Stiles (see ST3 and the Prime Directive novel, which is a favorite of Rob Orci, very good read). The scene in PD where Scotty gets mad at Stiles and breaks his prized "swagger stick," one could definitely see Simon Pegg's Scotty doing something like that. Remakes of Space Seed, Arena, Balance of Terror, et. al. should probably be avoided.

Klingons: You can have Gorkon voicing the hope of peace between the Empire and the UFP, with Duras representing the rapacious, expansionistic side. I think Nero stirred up a hornet's nest with his actions in Klingon space, with the Romulan Senate being pretty hard pressed to provide some kind of evidence that Nero had nothing to do with them. Then there's the matter of the resources that the Klingons lost fighting Nero, they may make excursions into other territories in an attempt to replenish them.

As for the Romulans, the Tal Shiar is something that few have played with, and Section 31 is a worthy opponent for them. John Le Carre wrote a trilogy of novels devoted to the long running conflict between his literary creation, George Smiley, and his KGB nemesis, Karla. The first and third novels were adapted by BBC, with Patrick Stewart as Karla. So if a Trek movie had a similar type of conflict between a Section 31 director and a Tal Shiar spymaster, with the Enterprise caught in the middle, that could be the "cerebral Trek adventure" and "real Romulan movie"(as opposed to Nero and Shinzon) that many are waiting for, and that could have enough momentum to carry into a subsequent film.

And of course, there's the Tholians. They're powerful, mysterious, "alien," and one could see them in adversarial situations where they, not are heroes, are the ones that are "right." Plus, no need for celebrity guest stars. Just CG work (going with the spidery appearance in ENT) with Frank Welker doing the voices.

i like a lot of what you have here.

really i always thought you could easily retcon section 31 into tos.
that some how section 31 talked kirk and spock into that crazy scheme in
enterprise incident.
but something happened before undiscovered country and section 31 become the more corrupt thing we see in the later series.
and they were behind the assinations ect..


i do though want one of the movies to do with exploration.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

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[Elim Garak]

Personally I want to see Cardassians in the next film but not as the villains, just as an aggressive expansionist power that has taken advantage of the Federation's recent... difficulties in order to establish their status as one of the two dominant AQ powers. Perhaps both the CU and the UFP are involved in some form of diplomacy with the Enterprise and Kirk taking a leading role.

Just a thought...

I think the Cardassians of Kirk's time are a good civilian government with some corrupt elements. Both Picard and Garak have said that Cardassia was once known for its poets, artists, and composers. The UFP of this era would probably be familiar with Cardassians, with Iloja living on Vulcan in the previous century. But I think at this point, the civilian Detapa Council is in charge, and consequently, their society looks a bit more like Germany during the Baroque and Classical musical eras (which gave us the "3 B's"), or the Austro-Hungarian Empire during the same time period (which gave us Mozart and Haydn). But if Kirk, Spock, et al were to take a closer inspection, they might be able to see some cracks beginning to form.

 

[USS Excelsior]

The Cardassians were already mentioned in the last film.

 

[KirkSpockTOSFan]

I'm not sure what I really would like to see in the next movie. I think I be happy with whatever they come with. Though I wouldn't mind seeing Nimoy in the movie again, and if its possable Shatner, if not this comming up movie maybe a future one. I'm also would like to see the recreation of a home planet for the Vulcans. I'm curious to know what they have in mind for that as the planet Vulcan was distroyed because of Nero. I would also like to see a friendship building between Spock and Kirk, just Kirk and McCoy. As you know in this movie Kirk and Spock were not friends at first, they were kind of like rivals. You could see friendship begaing between Kirk and Spock near the ending. I would like to see that friendship and trust build up more in the next movie. I'm curious to see how far they have come. I would like to see how the friendship,trust,and relationship becomes of Kirk,Spock and McCoy.As you know in The Final Fronter the trio were all toghter just best friends and brothers, I would like to see that evolve in the next movie and future movies.

 

[Mirren Audax]

- Remake 'Errand of Mercy', but with a HUGE space battle before any Organian intercession.

- Remake 'Balance of Terror' but without the dodgy phasers; do people know about the Vulcan connection?

- Leave Khan on 'Botany Bay' - they couldn't do better; they tried with the Augments on 'Enterprise' (not to say those episodes were bad.)

- A clever amalgamation of 'Where No Man has Gone Before' and 'By Any Other Name'; extragalactic exploration meets extragalactic invasion.

- Somehow introduce the Cardassians, after all they got a mention in the last one...

- Starfleet has to intercede in a Romulan/Klingon war caused by Nero's appearance.

- Adapt John M Ford's excellent novel 'The Final Relection' into a movie.

 

[BillJ]

- Have Kirk at odds with Pike in the next film.

- See Spock experiencing conflicting loyalties between his current and former CO's.

- Rookie Jim Kirk makes the "big mistake"

- Have him actually lose command of the Enterprise (nice tie-in to the "never lose you" scene from The Naked Time). With Pike replacing him as Captain.

- Have the film focus on Kirk trying to recover and right his mistake.

- Have him become friends with another Starfleet hot-shot wunderkind... Gary Mitchell.

- Steer clear of Romulans and Klingons in any type of major role.

Overall, the movie really needs to be the "Jim Kirk" growth film.

 

[urbandk]

- Have Kirk at odds with Pike in the next film.

- See Spock experiencing conflicting loyalties between his current and former CO's.

- Rookie Jim Kirk makes the "big mistake"

- Have him actually lose command of the Enterprise (nice tie-in to the "never lose you" scene from The Naked Time). With Pike replacing him as Captain.

- Have the film focus on Kirk trying to recover and right his mistake.

- Have him become friends with another Starfleet hot-shot wunderkind... Gary Mitchell.

- Steer clear of Romulans and Klingons in any type of major role.

Overall, the movie really needs to be the "Jim Kirk" growth film.

Great ideas!

 

[SVD]

- Remake 'Errand of Mercy', but with a HUGE space battle before any Organian intercession.

- Somehow introduce the Cardassians, after all they got a mention in the last one...

- Starfleet has to intercede in a Romulan/Klingon war caused by Nero's appearance.

- Have Kirk at odds with Pike in the next film.

- See Spock experiencing conflicting loyalties between his current and former CO's.

- Rookie Jim Kirk makes the "big mistake"

- Have him actually lose command of the Enterprise (nice tie-in to the "never lose you" scene from The Naked Time). With Pike replacing him as Captain.

- Have the film focus on Kirk trying to recover and right his mistake.

- Have him become friends with another Starfleet hot-shot wunderkind... Gary Mitchell.

Overall, the movie really needs to be the "Jim Kirk" growth film.

Great Ideas all!

- Leave Khan on 'Botany Bay' - they couldn't do better; they tried with the Augments on 'Enterprise' (not to say those episodes were bad.)

...Whereas reintroducing Khan, Gary Mitchell, or Garth of Izar would be incredibly risky.

Having seen the first two of the stories you mention, I agree. I think if they did that, they would have to use their A+++ game to do so in order to not turn the Nerds flavor that Star Trek XI left in my mental mouth to vinegar, which may be nigh on impossible....

(Myself quoted because I've changed my mind a little bit)

The thought has recently crossed my mind about the re-introduction of Kahn, and how to somewhat smartly pull it off: include flashbacks to the eugenics wars and Kahn's fall from power. Still, to do so is a risky venture.

 

[Broccoli]

I want Khan...only if they bring him back as a Borg.

And Owen Wilson plays him.

Otherwise, I will boycott this next movie.

 

[EJA]

If they do another film, I think they should:

- Ignore everything that happens in the latest one, because most of it was just pure nonsense. So no stuff about Nero, Vulcan blowing up, Amanda Grayson being dead, Old Future Spock, or Kirk jumping straight from cadet to captain.

- Keep Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, Zoe Saldana, and maybe Simon Pegg. Recast Chekov though.

- Redesign that bloody bridge!

 

[T'Girl]

-Have the entire the entire nu-crew pass thru a space-shift to a universe where Kirk is an brand new ensign, and has to work his way up thru the ranks of starfleet.

-In this dimension Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise when he's 34 years old, McCoy is 45, Spock is 50, Chekov and Rand are 22, Sulu and Uhura are 25'ish.

-Nobody has any real idea how old Scott is. But he not the same age as everyone else.

-Gary Mitchell is Kirk's best friend, not the vulcan he just met.

-The Enterprise isn't 800 metres long.

- Remake 'Errand of Mercy', but with a HUGE space battle before any Organian intercession.

-The Klingon new super weapon blows up Organian with one shot, so that Princess Organian will tell Kor where the secret rebel base is!

 

[DestinyCaptain]

Why tinker with the "Sub-Prime" Universe at all? Let them churn another one like the last one, for those that like it. Save the "Prime Universe" for me and countless others like me....

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The game plan appears to be this:

Kirk will start off as very different from the Kirk Prime character and, because he's now in the right environment for it, grow into that character.

Spock will start off as very similar to the Spock Prime character and, because of the traumatic events Spock Prime never suffered, will grow away from that character.

So this is all about the altered timeline sending the two main characters on different arcs, at cross-purposes to each other and exploring how that impacts their friendship. I still expect friendship, but I also expect a lot more interesting messiness. The resolution is that Kirk helps Spock become Spock Prime, while himself becoming Kirk Prime, and therefore restoring order to the cosmos (while further antagonizing parts of the fanbase who will flip outta their skulls at the wedge that will be driven between these characters for the sake of drama).

And that's where the central conflict for the next two films will come from. There may also be other conflict-creating elements - Khan, Borg, a tribble outbreak - but who cares, really? That will just be window dressing for the core story.

The corniest, cheapest thing they could do is to imply that Kirk is romantically interested in Uhura. Maybe he is, but even before he gets to the grown-up phase, he'll realize that he better keep a lid on it, if only to keep Spock from ripping his head off. Instead, the writers should work on the platonic relationship between those two. Star Trek doesn't do romance well, and practically nobody does love triangles well, so let's just not go there. Abrams & co should concentrate on their strengths.

So Uhura will continue to be a key secondary character; McCoy will also be developed further in importance. The others will remain in the background.

 

[urbandk]

The corniest, cheapest thing they could do is to imply that Kirk is romantically interested in Uhura. Maybe he is, but even before he gets to the grown-up phase, he'll realize that he better keep a lid on it, if only to keep Spock from ripping his head off. Instead, the writers should work on the platonic relationship between those two. Star Trek doesn't do romance well, and practically nobody does love triangles well, so let's just not go there. Abrams & co should concentrate on their strengths.

A love triangle as pivotal plot element would be very disappointing.

 

[Elim Garak]

Maybe they could give Kirk an ill-fated romance to keep up with the theme the last film subtly hinted at, the Shatner Kirk, especially in TWOK, was paying for the impetous actions that we saw the Pine Kirk engaging in.

I'd like to see Kirk's rivalry with Commander Styles (captain of the Excelsior in TSFS). The novel Prime Directive shows a good way to handle this. He would be the same age as Kirk, and would not be happy that Kirk has been promoted so fast. That's the sort of thing than can carry through more than one movie. One movie would establish the rivaly, then in a later film, Styles could get his own command, but his ship would be a far cry from the durable, resilient Enterprise, kindof like a car that breaks down every 2 miles.

In terms of bringing a new character to the table, I would propose bringing in either Thelin or Xon to the table. Thelin was an Andorian from the TAS episode "Yesteryear," he was the first officer of the Enterprise in the alternate timeline where Spock was dead. Xon was a proposed character from Star Trek Phase II, envisioned as a replacement for Spock, since Leonard Nimoy seemed unlikely to participate. So maybe in this new continuity, they could introduce one of them, establishing him as someone who "almost" got Spock's job on the Enterprise.