Star Trek XII
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I want the sequel to be about Spock prime getting captured by the Romulans , who have found out about Nero. I want the big E to be sent on a rescue mission to find him. Spock prime should be important for the vulcans and restoring normalcy. I want this next one to be kinda like Empire , but not completely dark. I want it to be a cliffhanger and I would really like to see Picard and Data set out to find Spock prime also. Iwould like to see Data find a way to enter the alt universe and somehow merge the two time lines into one, then reunite Vulcan and Romulus inthe end . And finally Spock prime , Picard and Data return to the 24th century. Ending with the hologram of old Kirk giving a farewell . The scene that was never written. I know a lot of people won't agree with this, I don't care and I know none of this will never happen , but I would like to see this played out over two movies
One of the eight or nine hundred things that I hate most about re-boots is that they insist on going over old plots, instead of blazing new trails. If Abrams wanted a NEW Trek, then he should DO a NEW Trek----don't give us Khan or Mudd or the Cornucopia Machine, give us something NEW. Sheesh!
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True enough, although I will say there are one or two things I wouldn't mind seeing how they unfold. Maybe not an entire movie, but maybe a briefing in the beginning along the lines of "well that was a great idea you came up with to deal with the probe." and then continue with the rest of the movie.
I want the Klingons and I want them to be the Federation's enemies. Let's see them as a savage warrior race with a vicious and rigid code of honor. That side of them was more often talked about but rarely seen on recent Trek series. How about seeing an officer get his promotion the old fashion way: by killing a superior officer who foolishly lets his guard down. Let's see an original Klingon commander who seizes victory. While TSFS was not the best Trek movie, I liked how the Klingons were portrayed and would like to see them used as a template for the Klingons in Abrams-verse.
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This is a good idea.
I think the writers indicated that they avoided using the Klingons as villains because the public image of the bumpheads has evolved into a friendlier, if not gentler, one. So they may be out.
More of Urban and Saldana and Pegg is mainly what I want in the sequel.
More of Urban and Saldana and Pegg is mainly what I want in the sequel.
Bring Back the Rapcious Expansionist Klingons. The kinder Gentler crap has to go. They were a empire to be respected once....not the band of suck ups they were evolved into in TNG and afters 
I think that's true, Dennis, but I think it may be possible to change the Klingons again into the bad guys, since the audience has changed and expanded beyond the NG fans.
To not do any remakes of any other Trek movie.
Except why bother? I think what they meant was that the Klingons are about as firmly fixed in the public mind as Kirk and Spock, but as those "Good day to die!" bumpy-headed warrior friends of Worf rather than the swarthy guys in black turtlenecks from TOS.
Love your quote.
I would see it as a public service to dispense with the overused Klingon theme music (c.f. Worf's first appearance in First Contact for a bad offender) and with the cuddly Klingons.
These aren't your father's Klingons, as it were.
They don't have to be the central villain; they don't have to be a big deal; but I would really like for them to find the time to make the Klingons formidable and maybe even scary.
Exactly. BTW, I thought the Klingon sequences were removed mainly (if not solely) because those scenes didn't add to the main story. They were cool, but they were unnecessary. I don't remember reading anything about the "public image" of them. That idea kinda flies in the face of everything else they did in writing this screen play. Was the "public image" an actual quote from some interview? If so, I missed it.
Please God (J.J.?), no more kill the bad guy, save the world! 
Abrams doesn't want klingons to be the bad guys. The most likely reason; the Klingon public image is that of allies of the Federation, established by TNG.
Here's my way to bring Klingons into this new universe without them being the bad guys: [insert alien race here] is attacking Klingon establishments. Klingons blame Federation, who themselves are being attacked by the same race. Tensions and a skirmish follow, but shortly thereafter, some detective work by the Federation and Klingons reveals the true culprit. Klingons and Federation unite against the common foe, this precipitates friendly relations between the two species.
Segueing to what I'd like to see in the movie as far as an Easter egg:
A reference to the Soong family, perhaps even with Brent Spiner playing this century's Soong, tinkering away at Arik's cybernetics work.
Here's my way to bring Klingons into this new universe without them being the bad guys: [insert alien race here] is attacking Klingon establishments. Klingons blame Federation, who themselves are being attacked by the same race. Tensions and a skirmish follow, but shortly thereafter, some detective work by the Federation and Klingons reveals the true culprit. Klingons and Federation unite against the common foe, this precipitates friendly relations between the two species.
Segueing to what I'd like to see in the movie as far as an Easter egg:
A reference to the Soong family, perhaps even with Brent Spiner playing this century's Soong, tinkering away at Arik's cybernetics work.
The prospect of an arc of some kind running through ST12 and ST13 is the best news I've heard today. Hopefully, there will also be some sort of antagonist character that would also appear in both of them, bridging the two installments, like Mr. White in the last 2 James Bond movies.
To add to the Year One feel, you could have Carol Marcus as a love interest for Kirk, and establish the rivalry with Scotty and Lawrence Stiles (see ST3 and the Prime Directive novel, which is a favorite of Rob Orci, very good read). The scene in PD where Scotty gets mad at Stiles and breaks his prized "swagger stick," one could definitely see Simon Pegg's Scotty doing something like that. Remakes of Space Seed, Arena, Balance of Terror, et. al. should probably be avoided.
Klingons: You can have Gorkon voicing the hope of peace between the Empire and the UFP, with Duras representing the rapacious, expansionistic side. I think Nero stirred up a hornet's nest with his actions in Klingon space, with the Romulan Senate being pretty hard pressed to provide some kind of evidence that Nero had nothing to do with them. Then there's the matter of the resources that the Klingons lost fighting Nero, they may make excursions into other territories in an attempt to replenish them.
As for the Romulans, the Tal Shiar is something that few have played with, and Section 31 is a worthy opponent for them. John Le Carre wrote a trilogy of novels devoted to the long running conflict between his literary creation, George Smiley, and his KGB nemesis, Karla. The first and third novels were adapted by BBC, with Patrick Stewart as Karla. So if a Trek movie had a similar type of conflict between a Section 31 director and a Tal Shiar spymaster, with the Enterprise caught in the middle, that could be the "cerebral Trek adventure" and "real Romulan movie"(as opposed to Nero and Shinzon) that many are waiting for, and that could have enough momentum to carry into a subsequent film.
And of course, there's the Tholians. They're powerful, mysterious, "alien," and one could see them in adversarial situations where they, not are heroes, are the ones that are "right." Plus, no need for celebrity guest stars. Just CG work (going with the spidery appearance in ENT) with Frank Welker doing the voices.
To add to the Year One feel, you could have Carol Marcus as a love interest for Kirk, and establish the rivalry with Scotty and Lawrence Stiles (see ST3 and the Prime Directive novel, which is a favorite of Rob Orci, very good read). The scene in PD where Scotty gets mad at Stiles and breaks his prized "swagger stick," one could definitely see Simon Pegg's Scotty doing something like that. Remakes of Space Seed, Arena, Balance of Terror, et. al. should probably be avoided.
Klingons: You can have Gorkon voicing the hope of peace between the Empire and the UFP, with Duras representing the rapacious, expansionistic side. I think Nero stirred up a hornet's nest with his actions in Klingon space, with the Romulan Senate being pretty hard pressed to provide some kind of evidence that Nero had nothing to do with them. Then there's the matter of the resources that the Klingons lost fighting Nero, they may make excursions into other territories in an attempt to replenish them.
As for the Romulans, the Tal Shiar is something that few have played with, and Section 31 is a worthy opponent for them. John Le Carre wrote a trilogy of novels devoted to the long running conflict between his literary creation, George Smiley, and his KGB nemesis, Karla. The first and third novels were adapted by BBC, with Patrick Stewart as Karla. So if a Trek movie had a similar type of conflict between a Section 31 director and a Tal Shiar spymaster, with the Enterprise caught in the middle, that could be the "cerebral Trek adventure" and "real Romulan movie"(as opposed to Nero and Shinzon) that many are waiting for, and that could have enough momentum to carry into a subsequent film.
And of course, there's the Tholians. They're powerful, mysterious, "alien," and one could see them in adversarial situations where they, not are heroes, are the ones that are "right." Plus, no need for celebrity guest stars. Just CG work (going with the spidery appearance in ENT) with Frank Welker doing the voices.
That's the beauty of characters like Lawrence Stiles and Kamarag (Klingon ambassador from ST4 and ST6), they can be included to acknowledge continuity (something the TNG films sadly lacked), but they're "small" enough that the current writers would have a lot to work with. Whereas reintroducing Khan, Gary Mitchell, or Garth of Izar would be incredibly risky.
Having seen the first two of the stories you mention, I agree. I think if they did that, they would have to use their A+++ game to do so in order to not turn the Nerds flavor that Star Trek XI left in my mental mouth to vinegar, which may be nigh on impossible.
Definatly, we need something new for the newbies that Trek XI brought in, seasoned with easter eggs for us that are die hard to some degree.
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