Star Trek V expanded score 11/30!!

[Rarewolf]

What's "iconic" for one is "overexposed" for another.

I do like listening to the fanfare and other assorted music, just not enough that I feel I can justify buying more of it.

I can't get enough variations of the Goldsmith and Courage themes. Final Frontier and Nemesis have some great examples.

It's a pity there's only one TNG appearance missing their theme - their first movie.

 

[DonIago]

I was listening to this in the car the other day and it struck me how marvelous it would have been to have had Goldsmith score TWOK, as his music for TFF shows how deftly he could handle adventure scores.

I have to disagree here. I really liked Horner's music for TWoK and would not in any way consider the reuse of the TMP fanfare to be an improvement on that.

That being said, if Goldsmith had come up with something that was a serious departure from his standard Trek music, that might have been something interesting. But you can't know the unknowable.

 

[Maurice]

I was listening to this in the car the other day and it struck me how marvelous it would have been to have had Goldsmith score TWOK, as his music for TFF shows how deftly he could handle adventure scores.

I have to disagree here. I really liked Horner's music for TWoK and would not in any way consider the reuse of the TMP fanfare to be an improvement on that.

That being said, if Goldsmith had come up with something that was a serious departure from his standard Trek music, that might have been something interesting. But you can't know the unknowable.

We'll have to agree to disagree. If anything, Goldsmith's first (rejected) pass at the Enterprise music for TMP sounded very nautical. "A Tall Ship" and "Plot Course" from the TFF soundtrack would have nicely fit the tone of TWOK, for instance, almost as is.

 

[Data Holmes]

I was listening to this in the car the other day and it struck me how marvelous it would have been to have had Goldsmith score TWOK, as his music for TFF shows how deftly he could handle adventure scores.

I have to disagree here. I really liked Horner's music for TWoK and would not in any way consider the reuse of the TMP fanfare to be an improvement on that.

That being said, if Goldsmith had come up with something that was a serious departure from his standard Trek music, that might have been something interesting. But you can't know the unknowable.

We'll have to agree to disagree. If anything, Goldsmith's first (rejected) pass at the Enterprise music for TMP sounded very nautical. "A Tall Ship" and "Plot Course" from the TFF soundtrack would have nicely fit the tone of TWOK, for instance, almost as is.

Keep in mind that Horner dated Goldsmith's daughter early in his life and may have had some "note sharing" moments with him on the TWOK prototype, the score for "Battle Beyond the Stars".

 

[TV's Frank]

I was listening to this in the car the other day and it struck me how marvelous it would have been to have had Goldsmith score TWOK, as his music for TFF shows how deftly he could handle adventure scores.

No disrespect to Horner, but Goldsmith proved himself with adventure scores about 20 years before Horner even entered the scene. Goldsmith was tackling adventures, Westerns, war films and serious dramas from the late 1950's and onwards, so he hardly needed to score TWOK to prove that he could handle such a genre movie.

 

[Christopher]

I finished listening to Disc 2 this morning, and I'm surprised to find that I don't find "The Moon is a Window to Heaven" at all unpleasant. I haven't actually listened to it (beyond the version in the film proper) since I bought the soundtrack album back in '87 or whenever. The lyrics are a bit weak, and too Earth-centric for a diegetic song in a space movie (I imagine listeners on many worlds would've responded, "Which moon?"), but the melody's not bad and the pseudo-Asian percussion line is interesting. It's very '80s, with the Synclavier and such, but then, the source music in TOS tended to be rather '40s-sounding, so I can't complain.

And the liner notes are clearly wrong to say that the film version is Nichols's voice. It doesn't sound a thing like her beyond being soprano. Heck, I knew that when I first saw the film.

In other news, the problem with those CD racks that have an individual slot for each CD case is that if you want to insert a new disc near the start of the row, you have to tediously move everything over one by one.

 

[RyanKCR]

In other news, the problem with those CD racks that have an individual slot for each CD case is that if you want to insert a new disc near the start of the row, you have to tediously move everything over one by one.

And in my case it is near the top of the CD case and every time I add a new CD I have to do the same with the last CD going on the floor. I need another case to help take the burden off of the two I do have.

 

[Therin of Andor]

every time I add a new CD I have to do the same with the last CD going on the floor. I need another case to help take the burden off of the two I do have.

Luxury! I have six tall CD racks, all alphabetised. Two are the individual-slot tower versions. Every few months I have to do a "move along" day.

One tower - of 60 slots - now contains only ST CDs (and I've taken my single disk TMP, ST II, III and V soundtracks into work to prevent the overflow). The recent collector sets of the JJ movie and TNG sit on a shelf nearby.

 

[Christopher]

I've run out of room in the three small CD racks I have (I haven't been an avid music collector for a long time, just getting back into it recently with all the limited-edition soundtrack releases of the past couple of years), but the Ron Jones box set is sturdy enough that I can use it as a "bookend" and keep a few extras between it and one of the racks.

 

[Maurice]

I was listening to this in the car the other day and it struck me how marvelous it would have been to have had Goldsmith score TWOK, as his music for TFF shows how deftly he could handle adventure scores.

No disrespect to Horner, but Goldsmith proved himself with adventure scores about 20 years before Horner even entered the scene. Goldsmith was tackling adventures, Westerns, war films and serious dramas from the late 1950's and onwards, so he hardly needed to score TWOK to prove that he could handle such a genre movie.

Oh, I agree completely, but I was using this score as a frame of reference for those unfamiliar with Goldsmith's vast library of film and TV cues. Compared to Goldsmith in his prime, Horner's merely a talented amateur.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Listening to this now, and Goldsmith should've scored TWOK rather than three-note Horner.

 

[DonIago]

I shudder at the thought of TWok opening with the TMP theme. Now maybe that wouldn't have been the case, but it certainly was for TFF...and I didn't like it then either.

 

[Harvey]

There's certainly nothing wrong with Goldsmith's TMP theme, but scoring the first movie with the original cast to be released after Star Trek: The Next Generation premiered with it was an odd move--especially since it hadn't been heard since the first movie in the series.

 

[DonIago]

^A world of Yes.

 

[Christopher]

There's certainly nothing wrong with Goldsmith's TMP theme, but scoring the first movie with the original cast to be released after Star Trek: The Next Generation premiered with it was an odd move--especially since it hadn't been heard since the first movie in the series.

Makes perfect sense to me. TNG was a successful show, so why wouldn't the movies want to tie into it somehow? Heck, the sixth movie was practically a TNG prequel, showing the beginnings of peace with the Klingons and including Michael Dorn as a namesake ancestor of Worf's. It's natural for one incarnation of a franchise to tie itself in with another, popular incarnation of same. The Superman comics incorporated characters and ideas created for the Superman radio series (Jimmy Olsen, Perry White, the Daily Planet, kryptonite), the Reeve movies (the cold, forbidding Krypton of the Byrne reboot and the literal adoption of the movies' Kryptonian set designs in more recent comics), Smallville (Lionel Luthor, Chloe Sullivan), etc.

 

[Harvey]

It might just seem odd in retrospect, from the era of the 90s when every incarnation of Trek had it's own thematic identity (more or less).

 

[Maurice]

^^^In 1989 when TFF came out there was only TNG, TOS and the TOS movies, no so many incarnations.

 

[Therin of Andor]

^^^In 1989 when TFF came out there was only TNG, TOS and the TOS movies, no so many incarnations.

TOS, TAS, TMP, ST II/III, and ST IV all had very unique main themes. It was only TNG that borrowed TMP's, when the original theme by Dennis McCathy was rejected. Then Goldsmith decided he wanted to use it again for ST V.

 

[JarodRussell]

Listening to this now, and Goldsmith should've scored TWOK rather than three-note Horner.

"Three-note Horner" didn't score TWOK.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Listening to this now, and Goldsmith should've scored TWOK rather than three-note Horner.

"Three-note Horner" didn't score TWOK.

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