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Star Trek TOS Re-Watch

As far as I know, "Assignment Earth" (the ""Star Trekized" backdoor pilot") was never in the running with WNMHGB, "Mudd's Women" and "Omega Glory" to be the second pilot. Ssosmcin seems to have worded his post in a way that can be misunderstood.

As we all know, this one was Roddenberry's script for consideration as the second pilot after The Cage (the next was the "Star Trekized" backdoor pilot).

Yeah, I can see where you might be confuzzled. I meant the next episode filmed after "The Omega Glory" was a backdoor pilot, because I was talking about these last two episodes of the season were "inventory" episodes.

So read it as:

As we all know, this one was Roddenberry's script for consideration as the second pilot after The Cage ("Assignment Earth" was the "Star Trekized" backdoor pilot).
 
We already visited a planet that looked just like Earth and had main street USA. Heck, we visited 20th century Rome. It's got another starship and it's got Kirk worried about the prime directive. What is the part of the series setting that it doesn't fit?

Sorry, I thought it was obvious. "The Omega Glory" doesn't fit the time setting of TOS.

The rest of the series is not set far enough in the future for interstellar travelers from Earth to have given our founding documents to the natives, and done it so long ago that the Omegans could then build a new "American" civilization, fight a nuclear war, evolve a new lifespan, and actually forget their own origin story, entering into their third civilizational era (the one discovered by Captain Tracy) since Earth people got there.
 
Sorry, I thought it was obvious. "The Omega Glory" doesn't fit the time setting of TOS.

The rest of the series is not set far enough in the future for interstellar travelers from Earth to have given our founding documents to the natives, and done it so long ago that the Omegans could then build a new "American" civilization, fight a nuclear war, evolve a new lifespan, and actually forget their own origin story, entering into their third civilizational era (the one discovered by Captain Tracy) since Earth people got there.
That would only be a problem if it was ever suggested that the Omegan's documents came from Earth. It doesn't. Ever.
 
First...we have @ZapBrannigan and @Zapp Brannigan which is gonna confuse me no end....

Second...

That would only be a problem if it was ever suggested that the Omegan's documents came from Earth. It doesn't. Ever.

Exactly. Assuming these came from Earth by colonists in the distant past or time travelers is just fan speculation to make the premise work. Which really isn't our job, that was Roddenberry's. Sticking entirely to the reality of the series as it was laid out over the prior seasons, Omega IV is just another parallel Earth, right down to the languages, symbols and documents.

It's within the parameters of the series format, but well outside the realm of probability. But Star Trek wasn't supposed to be "probable" all the time. Sometimes they just wanted to get the point out there in an entertaining fashion and rationality be damned.
 
That would only be a problem if it was ever suggested that the Omegan's documents came from Earth. It doesn't. Ever.

Yeah, and that is how I always "read" the episode as a kid: the precise duplication of documents was pure coincidence. Seeing is believing.

But that requires TOS to be set in a magical universe, like The Twilight Zone. You could argue that finding "another Earth" with matching geography in "Miri" is in that vein. "Charlie X" is not a documentary, either.

If "The Omega Glory" was originally conceived as a "drop off and pick up" tale of cultural recipes, like "A Piece of the Action," then on those terms it doesn't work anymore.

So given that Omega doesn't fit into the 23rd century as a drop off and pick up story, we have to either accept a "monkeys typing Shakespeare"-level coincidence, or say that somebody time traveled back to ancient Omega IV and dropped of the Constitution. :) You can still make it work; Star Trek allows for a lot of things.
 
The Return of the Archons
By Boris Sobelman (based on a story by Gene Roddenberry)

It's been so long since I've seen some (most?) of these, it really is almost like watching them for the first time. Also, now I know why the ads for The Purge seemed oddly familiar. :)

I had completely forgotten that Archon was the name of a ship. It disappeared 100 years earlier.

We start with Sulu and O'Neil running. They are wearing 1700's-style clothing. Robed figures come towards them. O'Neil runs. Sulu stays, waiting to be beamed up, and gets hit by one of the robed guys' staffs. When he gets on the ship, he seems dreamy and euphoric, saying the planet is Paradise and "You are not of the body." He mentions "Landru." He also tosses out a bundle of clothing - the outfits he and O'Neil wore are out-of-date.

Kirk takes Spock (in a hooded robe to hide the ears), McCoy, a sociologist named Lindstrom, and 2 security guys down to the planet, dressed in 19th century clothing. People are friendly, but, as Spock says, they have a look of "vacant contentment." Then the Red Hour comes and everyone goes wild, fighting and throwing things and being highly sexual. The away team takes refuge in the house of a man named Reger. The crazy outside is some kind of Festival and one of the men in the house wonders why these young men aren't participating. He goes to fetch the robed dudes (Lawgivers). Reger asks them, "are you Archons?"

The Lawgivers come and kill another man there, Tamar. They try to take the newcomers away, but Kirk openly defies them, which they can't seem to deal with. Spock checks out their staffs and sees they're only hollow tubes. While the Lawgivers are unable to respond, Reger leads the team away to a safer place. The people seem completely placid again. Until...

REGER: Landru. He's summoning the body.

The team has to stun lots of people, who have picked up sticks and stones off the street, to get away. They find Lieutenant O'Neil and take him with them, even through Reger warns them that he's "been absorbed" and Landru will find them through him. Reger uses a highly sophisticated light panel that comes from a time before Landru, which he estimates is about 6,000 years. There is an underground - apparently some are immune to the mind control. He also gives some background: "When the first Archons came, they were free, out of control, opposing the will of Landru. Many were killed, many more were absorbed." He also tells them that Landru "pulled them down from the skies."

Kirk checks in on the Enterprise and finds out it's under attack by some kind of heat beams. They can't leave because they'd have to drop shields and their orbit will decay in about 12 hours. Now we have a deadline.

Landru appears as a projection against a wall. He attacks them with a sonic weapon, knocking them all out. They wake in a prison, with McCoy, O'Neil, and one of the security guys gone. When McCoy and O'Neil come back, they are dreamy and euphoric like Sulu and don't remember anything of their lives or shipmates. Kirk gets taken away and strapped to a wall while a man named Marplon comes in to operate a machine.

Spock gets taken and gets to the machine and wall in time to see Kirk, seemingly mind-controlled. When the Lawgivers leave to take Kirk back to the cell, Marplon tells Spock he didn't really absorb Kirk and is part of the underground resistance. He gives Spock their weapons and tells him to act like the others.

Spock, Kirk, and Lindstrom talk quietly (with McCoy watching like a hawk). We get the first mention ever of the Prime Directive:

KIRK: Landru must die.
SPOCK: Captain, our Prime Directive of non-interference.
KIRK: That refers to a living, growing culture. Do you think this one is?

Marplon brings them their communicators. McCoy accuses them, "You're not of the Body!" and calls for the Lawgivers. Kirk and Spock take them down and put on their robes, having Marplon take them to where Landru's voice is heard. Marplon and Reger are terrified, but go along. Meanwhile, Spock checks on the ship and nothing has gotten better there.

Reger freaks out, but tells them their world was destroying itself and Landru "took them back to a simple time. A time of peace and tranquility." Spock does the nerve pinch on Reger and Marplon takes them to the Hall of Audiences. Kirk calls him out, saying, "We are the Archons!" Landru appears and accuses them of causing harm to the Body. Shooting at the wall behind the projection, it's revealed that Landru is a computer. For the first time, Kirk talks a computer into suicide. :D

This is the good bit:
LANDRU: The good is the harmonious continuation of the Body. The good is peace, tranquility. The good of the Body is the directive.
KIRK: Then I put it to you that you have disobeyed the Prime Directive. You are harmful to the Body.
LANDRU: The body is. It exists. It is healthy.
KIRK: The body is dying. You are destroying it.
LANDRU: Do you ask a question?
KIRK: What have you done to do justice to the full potential of every individual of the Body? [emphasis mine]
LANDRU: Insufficient data.
KIRK: Without freedom of choice, there is no creativity. Without creativity, there is no life. The body dies. The fault is yours.
SPOCK: Are you aiding the body, or are you destroying it?

Boom!

Our Heroes leave. Sociologist Lindstrom and a team are left behind to help "restore the planet's culture to a human form." Kirk and Spock have a nice epilogue:

KIRK: You'd make a splendid computer, Mister Spock.
SPOCK: That is very kind of you, Captain.

A much better episode than I remembered! A nice exploration of "stagnant and peaceful" versus "free and a bit chaotic." Of course, that assumes that taking away free will leads to stagnation. I don't really question that, but it's easy to see the Cold War influence here. Good work on Kelley's part after McCoy is "absorbed."
 
A Taste of Armageddon
By Robert Hamner and Gene L. Coon

A powerful episode. Still as absolutely relevant today as in 1967. (Yes, I am distracting myself while my husband's in the hospital.)

The Enterprise travels to Eminiar VII to open diplomatic relations. The planet sends a code back to not approach them. Ambassador Fox overrides this and orders Kirk to proceed.

SPOCK: We know very little about them. Their civilization is advanced. They've had space flight for several centuries, but they've never ventured beyond their own solar system. When first contacted more than fifty years ago, Eminiar Seven was at war with its nearest neighbor.
KIRK: Anything else?
SPOCK: The Earth expedition making the report failed to return from its mission. The USS Valiant. Listed as missing in space.

Kirk, Spock, a yeoman and two redshirts beam down. They are met by Mea 3, who tells them the message was for their own safety. We find out quickly from Anan 7 of the High Council that they've been at war with neighboring Vendikar for 500 years. But there's no sign of war - everything appears peaceful and prosperous. Vendikar attacks, but there aren't any explosions or signs of radiation. Kirk is very confused. Spock figures out that they fight with computers, but then finds out that those computed as dead in the attacks have 24 hours to report to disintegration chambers. This means (for them) that people may die, but their civilization lives on. Spock does not approve.

Then they find out the Enterprise has been "destroyed" and everyone is to report to the surface for death. Kirk takes this news as well as one might expect. :lol:

Kirk is boggled that Mea is going to report for death as ordered. She defends their way.

Meanwhile, "Kirk" (actually Anan) invites everyone on the Enterprise down to the planet for "shore leave." Scotty thankfully doesn't buy it and has the computer confirm the message isn't actually from Kirk.

Spock uses his "Vulcanian" telepathic ability to get the guard to open the door to the room they're in. Kirk takes his gun and they go into the city further, trying to get their communicators. Seeing the disintegration chamber in action, and Mea heading towards it, Kirk stops her from going in while Spock disarms another guard and takes his weapon. Kirk blows up the disintegration chamber.

Learning of their escape, Anan orders the planetary weapons to fire on Enterprise, but her shields repel the attack. Scotty wants to fire back, but Fox stops him.

Spock and the redshirts bring more weapons and 2 guard uniforms back to Kirk. The redshirts change clothes and Kirk asks Mea for directions to the War Room.

Fox contacts Anan and Anan calls off the attack on Enterprise. Fox agrees to beam down and Anan orders that the attack continue as soon as shields are down. Fox orders the shields down but Scotty refuses to comply. Apparently, Fox can beam down through them. :whistle:

Kirk and Anan have a nice little discussion. Kirk fails his intimidate roll. Anan secretly signals for guards, but Kirk expects this and gets into a fight with them. He loses.

Fox beams down and learns he's a war casualty. Spock contacts the ship and finds out Fox beamed down. He orders Scotty to take the ship to maximum phaser range and has Yeoman Tamula guard Mea. Spock then finds Fox and saves him, blowing up another disintegration chamber in the process, and heads for the Council Room.

Anan contacts Enterprise and threatens to kill the landing party if her personnel don't start beaming down to die. Kirk manages to shout, "Scotty, General Order Twenty Four. Two hours! In two hours!" Scotty calls back and says, "All cities and installations on Eminiar Seven have been located, identified, and fed into our fire-control system. In one hour and forty five minutes, the entire inhabited surface of your planet will be destroyed. You have that long to surrender your hostages."

For many years, I thought this was a bluff on Kirk's part and Scotty played along. I'm don't think that anymore and I'll say why when we get there.

Anan doesn't know what to do. If Vendikar thinks the treaty is broken, they'll start attacking with real weapons. Kirk distracts a guard and disarms him, getting control just as Spock and his party come in.

KIRK: ...Death, destruction, disease, horror. That's what war is all about, Anan. That's what makes it a thing to be avoided. [Emphasis mine] You've made it neat and painless. So neat and painless, you've had no reason to stop it. And you've had it for five hundred years. Since it seems to be the only way I can save my crew and my ship, I'm going to end it for you, one way or another.

Kirk gets Spock in to check out their computers and then Kirk blows the main one up. Anan is horrified and we get one of the (IMO) Great Star Trek Scenes (which, BTW, was quoted in the show For All Mankind):

KIRK: Yes, Councilman, you have a real war on your hands. You can either wage it with real weapons, or you might consider an alternative. Put an end to it. Make peace.
ANAN: There can be no peace. Don't you see? We've admitted it to ourselves. We're a killer species. It's instinctive. It's the same with you. Your General Order Twenty Four.
KIRK: All right. It's instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. [Emphasis mine.] That's all it takes. Knowing that we won't kill today. Contact Vendikar. I think you'll find that they're just as terrified, appalled, horrified as you are, that they'll do anything to avoid the alternative I've given you. Peace or utter destruction. It's up to you.

Here's why I think there really was a General Order 24: Kirk orders Scotty to cancel implementation. Whoa! So yeah, the Enterprise can destroy a whole civilization.

Fox offers to help with peace talks. Spock thinks Kirk took a big risk, but Kirk reasoned that an actual attack would've ended their ability to make war, or they might be desperate enough to talk, ending the whole thing one way or another.

Spock gets some really great lines in this episode by the way:

SPOCK: There is a certain scientific logic about it.
ANAN: I'm glad you approve.
SPOCK: I do not approve. I understand.

SPOCK: Sir, there's a multi-legged creature crawling on your shoulder.

SPOCK: ...Yeoman Tamula, you stay here and prevent this young lady from immolating herself. Knock her down if necessary. This is a killing situation. Do what you must to protect yourself. Clear?

SPOCK: Captain, you almost make me believe in luck.
KIRK: Why, Mister Spock, you almost make me believe in miracles.
 
(Yes, I am distracting myself while my husband's in the hospital.)
I hope everything works out.
A Taste of Armageddon
By Robert Hamner and Gene L. Coon
This is my favorite "Kirk" episode. Essentially, another lesson about not playing the game.
Kirk is boggled that Mea is going to report for death as ordered. She defends their way.
I could never figure out how Mea was "killed" in the attack while standing next to Kirk and company in the Council Chamber. Maybe "deaths" are either randomly determined, or based on a set parameters assigned to everybody, so, "important" people are not killed.
 
I could never figure out how Mea was "killed" in the attack while standing next to Kirk and company in the Council Chamber. Maybe "deaths" are either randomly determined, or based on a set parameters assigned to everybody, so, "important" people are not killed.

I just assumed there was another attack in the meantime. These attacks were ongoing, we only saw those few.
 
The problem I have with A Taste of Armageddon (compounded by it being a fantastic episode) is "What was the war about?" What are the attacks gaining anyone? They really want to say that if it's just hundreds or thousands of people dying and disappearing that everyone is OK with this as long as the Post Office is still standing.

We're asked to accept that both sides in "The War" are interchangeable. Nobody are Nazis. Ok. But what are the goals? They blow up a city. For what? What's the next step? If the only outcome is dead from side A and dead from side B then why have the sims? Why not just have a treaty that says "Each side will kill a percentage of their population and if you need us to we'll send pictures (you sick sick buggers)."

But if it's not just dead bodies then I assume that in The Big Sim that resources are taken into account? I mean if they're not then of course they have endless war. But if they are then why has this not bled the economies of both planets dry?

But of course the entire reason for the episode's existence is so that Coon, er, Kirk can give the big speech at the end. But if the war is only about BOTH sides want the other side wiped out (it can't be one side because both sides are interchangeable) then Kirk's plan is not going to work. (And Peter David said as much in one of his really great comic book runs.)

Oh, and this episode lets us have debates about the genocidal nature of The Federation and Starfleet with General Order 24. (I recall a very funny recap of the episode. "Well, we've pinned down 23 General Orders. Non-interference, a carve out for Talos IV, and so on. I think we're done here. Oh, yes, Admiral Strangelove? Did you have something to add?")

I hope this is sufficiently distracting.
 
My impression has always been the reasons for the war either don't matter or are forgotten. "We have been at war for 5,000 years." It's become their way of life and they justify it with their fierce sense of duty. Their mutual hate is part of their respective cultures because it's always been that way for generations.

It's not important that such a situation is unfathomable to US (or Kirk). What's important is, it had become the norm for THEM.
 
It's not important that such a situation is unfathomable to US (or Kirk). What's important is, it had become the norm for THEM.
The emotions are totally fathomable. What's unfathomable is that none of the laws of entropy seem to be taking any kind of effect outside of a dashing young Starship Captain.

Even Landru started to break down eventually. Paging Captain Freeman!
 
I hope everything works out.
Thank you. He came home yesterday. His surgery went well.

The problem I have with A Taste of Armageddon (compounded by it being a fantastic episode) is "What was the war about?" What are the attacks gaining anyone? They really want to say that if it's just hundreds or thousands of people dying and disappearing that everyone is OK with this as long as the Post Office is still standing.

We're asked to accept that both sides in "The War" are interchangeable. Nobody are Nazis. Ok. But what are the goals? They blow up a city. For what? What's the next step? If the only outcome is dead from side A and dead from side B then why have the sims? Why not just have a treaty that says "Each side will kill a percentage of their population and if you need us to we'll send pictures (you sick sick buggers)."

But if it's not just dead bodies then I assume that in The Big Sim that resources are taken into account? I mean if they're not then of course they have endless war. But if they are then why has this not bled the economies of both planets dry?

But of course the entire reason for the episode's existence is so that Coon, er, Kirk can give the big speech at the end. But if the war is only about BOTH sides want the other side wiped out (it can't be one side because both sides are interchangeable) then Kirk's plan is not going to work. (And Peter David said as much in one of his really great comic book runs.)

Oh, and this episode lets us have debates about the genocidal nature of The Federation and Starfleet with General Order 24. (I recall a very funny recap of the episode. "Well, we've pinned down 23 General Orders. Non-interference, a carve out for Talos IV, and so on. I think we're done here. Oh, yes, Admiral Strangelove? Did you have something to add?")

I hope this is sufficiently distracting.
I think the war had just become The Way Things Are. After 500 years, it was self-perpetuating and needed an outside event to disrupt it.

Yes, this is sufficiently distracting. I laughed my ass off at "Admiral Strangelove." Thanks.
 
Okay, kicking off season 3 in production order.

Frankly, NBC should have lead with this one. I really feel like a lot of the animosity over "Spock's Brain" had to do with it being the "reward" for fans fighting so hard for a renewal. Because, honestly....

Spectre of the Gun is a *** winner. It may even be ***½

The show looks and feels different right out of the gate. New double knit uniforms that the cast looks smashing in (Shatner really benefitted from this), colors overall are brighter, and the film seems more crisp. There is a renewed formality to the dialog and Kirk states Spock's job title twice in the teaser.

The Melkotian buoy speaking different languages is a great touch. And none of us in the audience knows the illusion started right there. It's never made clear, but the episode drops clues at the finale.

While the casual chumminess is dialed back, these guys still know each other and the familiarity remains, but is appropriate for the situation. The dialog is really quite good throughout. This episode is how I learned about the Earp's and the Clanton's and later on I saw just how inaccurate it all is. But since Melkotians got it from Kirk's memory, it's completely reasonable to have the details be a little sketchy. Kirk obviously believed the Earp's were vicious killers and the Clanton's were jovial good guys because the Earps are chillingly ruthless and everyone loves those jokester Clanton's.

The performances are all on point. Nimoy has Spock's coolness in place but during a lovely exchange over Chekov's "death" he does reveal a little bit of his human side. Kelley and Doohan (who gets more to do in this episode in most others) really relish their bits of business. Scotty in particular is quite amusing simply by being Scotty - immediately knocking back a shot to "kill the pain" of the test trank before Spock tells him that's it's painless.

"Welp, you shoulda warned me sooner, Mister Spock - fire away!"

Walter Koenig shows just how good he could be with the right material and he's really excellent when given an expanded role. I love how Sylvia pretty much ceases to be after "Billy Clayborne" is dead. Lots of little details like that make this episode wonderfully creepy.

Shatner is in FINE form here, piecing it all together quickly and slowly getting more and more tense until he blows up at Johnny Behan. That's a great explosion of pent up rage Shatner delivers, it's all over his face before he erupts and then later, he's spent and even a bit regretful.

I love the whole Mind Meld sequence. Beautifully done and very artfully put together. The mis-matching of the placement of the Earps as they walk (well known now) is a great and subtle touch. That are such ghostly phantoms, they're not meant to be true to life. They are executioners created by the Melkotians.

The fight is a standard concession of the day and honestly my only real gripe is that Kirk didn't kick the snot out of Morgan. I guess one is as good as another, but Wyatt didn't gun down Chekov, Morgan did. Otherwise, another stuntman-free dust up.

And then, they're back on the bridge and this is where Kirk hints they never left. The buoy is still in front of them and the final clincher is that the very last shot of the episode is of the Enterprise approaching the Melkotian planet. We saw them in orbit in the teaser, but that was part of the illusion. All that time, they were just sitting in front of the buoy. what's so great about that is they never talk about it. Never say "wait a minute...you mean we were HERE the whole time?" as other shows might have one. Nope, we just follow the clues. Yeah, the third season....giving us credit for intelligence. How dare you?

Everything about this episode works and the music score is to die for. Brilliant work by Jerry Fielding. I loved this episode as a kid and love it even more today. I had such a great time watching this episode. F'k it. I give it a full ****. This is one to be proud of and my hat is off to Fred Freiberger for launching the season in good form. I reiterate that I really wish NBC started the year with it. It's a great adventure and Spock features heavily, ultimately saving the day. I think fans would have then approached the season with a feeling of satisfaction and hope.
 
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The fight is a standard concession of the day and honestly my only real gripe is that Kirk didn't kick the snot out of Morgan. I guess one is as good as another, but Wyatt didn't gun down Chekov, Morgan did.

Unlimited amens on that....and I'm not even a Chekov fan.

In relation----and these are still unsubstantiated rumors-----there has been Federation scuttlebutt that Walter Koenig secretly hired an Earp enemy to deliver time-warp revenge, but screwed up and wiped out Bill Paxton's Morgan-version by mistake. (The Cosmatos Universe.) :borg:
 
This episode is how I learned about the Earp's and the Clanton's and later on I saw just how inaccurate it all is. But since Melkotians got it from Kirk's memory, it's completely reasonable to have the details be a little sketchy. Kirk obviously believed the Earp's were vicious killers and the Clanton's were jovial good guys because the Earps are chillingly ruthless and everyone loves those jokester Clanton's.

When I was in fifth or sixth grade, the real Wyatt Earp came up in class, and I was quietly stunned to learn he was on the good side, and the Clantons were criminals. (Schools in those days were still teaching that the United States itself was good; now our own public schools smear the hell out of us.)

Decades later, I think the episode was meant to be subversive, and I don't appreciate that aspect of it. But if you take it at surface level, with alien smoke and mirrors to blame for everything, it's good fun like TV is supposed to be.
 
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