Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - Pike series and novel continuity

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  1. Christopher

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    So did Chapel, and they said she was a civilian.
     
  2. Ronald Held

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    Strange about Chapel.
    Did startdates "start" with WNMHGB in TOS?
     
  3. Therin of Andor

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    Did I just hear Wesley acknowledge the "Coda" trilogy?
     
  4. Christopher

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    In what way? Do you mean the part about telling a joke? I don't think that fits Coda.
     
  5. David Mack

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    Probably not; though it seems to me that the PIC writing staff probably approached his story with many assumptions that were similar to those of myself and the other Treklit authors who have penned Traveler Wesley tales. His description of the expansive role of the Travelers also seems to fit with the bit I wrote in one of the last few chapters of Oblivion’s Gate
     
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    More like how easy it was for other timelines to be created. And destroyed.

    Anyway, I loved the scene and it immediately made me think of "Coda".
     
  7. David Mack

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    Ah, yes. I caught that, too. Not a reference to Coda, but certainly not a contradiction of it. So I'll take it. :)
     
  8. Christopher

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    That's been a trope of time travel fiction for generations. Heck, the whole season was full of references to butterflies, an unsubtle allusion to Ray Bradbury's "A Sound of Thunder," the archetypal story about a tiny change in the past having a massive impact on the present.
     
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    Yes I know "The Butterfly Effect" trope, but Wesley's speech made me feel warm and fuzzy. And made me think specially of the recent events of the novelverse. And I was imagining Dayton and David smirking fondly.
     
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    ^It's not about whether you know the trope or not. The point is that the season referenced it repeatedly, so it's likely that Wesley's comments were inspired by the same theme, rather than by a recent Trek novel.

    Anyway, the term "butterfly effect" actually has a separate origin, though the idea is similar. The term was coined to refer to an aspect of chaos theory, how a slight change in initial conditions can massively alter the results, with the defining analogy being that a butterfly flapping its wings in one hemisphere can contribute to a hurricane in the other sometime later.
     
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  11. Therin of Andor

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    Sometimes I should just learn to shut up and watch and not share anything.

    C'mon, I was trying to share a little thought, not turn it into an argument. Sheesh.
     
  12. David Mack

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    FWIW, I appreciated our brief exchange. Nice to know I wasn't the only one thinking about the creative parallels.
     
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    I felt you grinning over the airwaves. ;)
     
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    I choose to believe Traveler Wesley helps remake the Novelverse. You can't tell me otherwise!

    :)
     
  15. James Swallow

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    But not me though. That's my secret, I'm always angry. :mad: :rofl:
     
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    Hehehehehe. I have met both Dave and Dayton in person, but I only know you via your words, which I do enjoy very much. But I wasn’t sure if I could imagine your reaction.
     
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    Time for a silly question:

    The novelverse and its Archer class, allows for the existence of the Hermes-class USS Archer from SNW, amirite?

    Meaning, the Archer from SNW can be retired in a few years, with the class ship Archer trotted out to replace it, without any disruption to canon?
     
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    I agree. Their relationship is one of the high points of Into Darkness for me, a long with Kirk's overall arc. Kirk's treatment of her is a subtle but interesting analogue for his own character growth.

    Missed her in Beyond.
    Yup.
     
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    Man, Archer must have broken the record for the number of :censored:ing ships named after him. :lol:
     
  20. David Mack

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    Yes. The Hermes-class USS Archer can be retired anytime between 2259 and 2264, and the new Archer-class scouts come into service in late '64, early '65.
     
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