My overall point stands their work together is far more significant, and doesn't he say this to Spock?
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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x10 - "New Life and New Civilizations"
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My overall point stands their work together is far more significant, and doesn't he say this to Spock?
I'm at work and our firewall blocks my transcript site of choice. But the first line is to Commodore Mendez asking if he ever met Chris Pike. My point is that it doesn't matter if their work is more significant. Mendez asks if Kirk met Pike. He answered the question. He doesn't need to go into deep detail of their history.
I dunno, I think going into battles and big events like this he'd give their work together more than the way Kirk answers. which comes across as "I met him once or twice, nothing major" with a shrug.
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I hear what you're saying, but perhaps Kirk didn't want to get in it with Mendez.
Is Kirk appearing more than he should? Yeah, probably. But it doesn't bother me that much. Is the reason I say that because of a throwaway line in a poorly written episode? Not at all. I'm enjoying the ride.
Is Kirk appearing more than he should? Yeah, probably. But it doesn't bother me that much. Is the reason I say that because of a throwaway line in a poorly written episode? Not at all. I'm enjoying the ride.
I feel I must change my vote to a 5. This is one of the most simultaneously rushed and bloated episodes of Trek ever.
Even Una asking Pike if he wanted to talk was too much. She should've just sat down quietly beside him.
Another poster was right about Pelia; she did nothing really. In fact, aside from a couple chuckles I still find the character useless, and Carol Kane's voice like nails on a chalkboard.
Live action NuTrek rarely sticks landings. And SNW, especially this season, hasn't felt strange or new, but recycled. Still, god help me I watched, and will continue to watch.
Even Una asking Pike if he wanted to talk was too much. She should've just sat down quietly beside him.
Another poster was right about Pelia; she did nothing really. In fact, aside from a couple chuckles I still find the character useless, and Carol Kane's voice like nails on a chalkboard.
Live action NuTrek rarely sticks landings. And SNW, especially this season, hasn't felt strange or new, but recycled. Still, god help me I watched, and will continue to watch.
I'm not even sure how to rate this gobbledygook.
Pelia had a story purpose in Season 2! She had friction with Una, plus involving her in Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow made a certain sort of sense.
It's just now they don't seem to have a clue what to do with her, other than have her periodically make fun of Scotty (which everyone else does, too).
She's become the Jett Reno of SNW, allowed repeated cameos because hey, she's famous off the show!
This one made no sense at all, I thought. And there was no reason for the “expectant new era” staging of the last scene, unless maybe they thought it was the season finale when they filmed it.
And I’m starting to think they must be laughing themselves about the whole “Sounds great, Kirk, but what does your Captain think?” “Her? Oh, never mind her, she’s just hanging out in the background someplace” thing.
And I’m starting to think they must be laughing themselves about the whole “Sounds great, Kirk, but what does your Captain think?” “Her? Oh, never mind her, she’s just hanging out in the background someplace” thing.
Similar to all of the season finales of DIS other than the first, there was a real stink of flop sweat in the post-climax scenes, as if they weren't 100% certain whether or not the show was going to be canceled, and wanted to wrap everything as tightly with a bow as possible.
The emotional resonance of this episode was great with Pike getting his own Inner Light moment.
The Warden and the Vezda fight definitely evoked the Reckoning for me. Stand still and glowing cgi will do the trick. They could have gone all out with it, certainly less excuses than they had in the 90s.
The only thing that puts this episode as weaker than the rest of the season was the fact that it was the finale. It didn't feel like a finale, it felt like a mid season episode. It feels like it just sort of ended and next week will be a new adventure not next year.
The Warden and the Vezda fight definitely evoked the Reckoning for me. Stand still and glowing cgi will do the trick. They could have gone all out with it, certainly less excuses than they had in the 90s.
The only thing that puts this episode as weaker than the rest of the season was the fact that it was the finale. It didn't feel like a finale, it felt like a mid season episode. It feels like it just sort of ended and next week will be a new adventure not next year.
The best part is I'd bet dollars to donuts that Pelia was just a Whovian back in the day and thought it would be funny to fuck with everyone.
The brain is faster than a computer.
Not really the same thing, as his return was foreshadowed at the end of the same episode he first appeared in.
Wesley isn’t trying to imitate Shatner. He’s doing his own interpretation of the character
Boy, that was a really bizarre episode, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I think my condensed thought was simply "this feels like fantasy writers were forced to write science fiction".
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- I did find the alternate timeline scenes between Pike and Batel to be really charming, at least in a bubble. It took me a few minutes to adjust to what was going on, as it is so abrupt, and the ending really does make it feel like a rip off of The Inner Light but I'm sucker for that sort of stuff, so it worked on me. Still, it was more of a bittersweet conclusion than I expected.
- I do want to comment the writers for attempting to connect some of the episodes this season together. It's a very loose arc, but there is an arc here between the Gorn and Batel, Ensign Gamble, and this.
- I don't mind that they're thinking about re-opening Pike's future plotline again. It was a big deal in DISCO season 2 and SNW season 1, but it seemed like they were going to leave it alone until now.
- This really felt rushed. I'm not sure I agree that this should've been a two-parter, as I don't really think there's enough here to fill two episodes, especially while introducing a cliffhanger to hold us over until season 4. Gamble escaped from his Pokeball, somehow rebuilt himself in the Enterprise computer, beamed himself across deep space (what the hell is a leyline? Add that to the things Voyager could've used), and then waited for Korby to show up so he could hold him hostage?
- Speaking of which, the planet might as well have been uninhabited for as little agency as the locals had. I don't know why they thought Korby was in danger, he was literally just standing in the last place we saw him. They made a big deal about the planet being hostile to the Federation, but they fired two ship's phasers at the planet, and no one standing around was even phased by it (pun intended).
- M'Benga's role in this episode was just weird and poorly laid out. "The story of his life" was written out on an ancient tablet on some planet? I guess they're going to use this as a springboard for some future plotline with him, or maybe the effect-before-cause nature of that realm was supposed to justify this? Either way it was strange and honestly didn't feel needed.
- I did not find the Doctor Who reference to be cute, especially when the rest of the episode felt like more like a Doctor Who plot than a Star Trek one.
- I've seen a bit of discussion about how the writers of this season seem to take a very black and white view towards both destiny and the inherit nature of individuals. This episode continues that trend with the enemy here being "the primordial evil in the galaxy" and Batel being some sort of weird malgimation of every good force to oppose it. The bad guys are bad and she is pure good so it is her destiny to fight it. It's a really bizarre melodramatic viewpoint that I found incredibly uninteresting to explore. I get that these villains might not be a good vehicle for exploring nuance, but it's the continuation to the sort of message they've had with the Vulcan episodes
- The mind meld was stupid. Linking Kirk and Spock "in perfect tandem" felt like some sort of weird fan writing. I like Paul Wesley too, but everytime I see him show up I can't help but crack up at how he randomly shows up again. Likewise, the James and George Kirk actors must hate each other IRL or something, they really want to have them together on-screen as little as possible.
I mean in universe the obvious answer is Dr. Kovich aka Daniels
Is it? I remind you, we did see the TARDIS on this show a few weeks back. Coupled with this reference to a time travelling Doctor, and well. Let's just say my immediate conclusion would not be Kovich.
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