Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x01 - "Hegemony, Part II"

[CorporalCaptain]

Not as bad as them getting to the center of the galaxy in TFF?

That can only be done with serious faith of the heart



of the galaxy.

 

[Yistaan]

Not as bad as them getting to the center of the galaxy in TFF?

That Which Survives in TOS says the Enterprise does 1,000 light years in 12 hours. It was only Voyager that suddenly had 1 year for 1,000 light years. TAS also went to the center of the galaxy. I don't think TFF said how long the trip actually took, maybe it was several days or weeks.

 

[Fateor]

Not as bad as them getting to the center of the galaxy in TFF?

Not really, they never said how long that trip took but it was clearly longer then a few days. Which is more then within the wiggleroom for the various bits of uncertainty in that.

That Which Survives in TOS says the Enterprise does 1,000 light years in 12 hours. It was only Voyager that suddenly had 1 year for 1,000 light years. TAS also went to the center of the galaxy. I don't think TFF said how long the trip actually took, maybe it was several days or weeks.

Voyager was assuming an average of Warp 8 on the new scale, which was Warp 10 on the old scale.

 

[fireproof78]

That Which Survives in TOS says the Enterprise does 1,000 light years in 12 hours. It was only Voyager that suddenly had 1 year for 1,000 light years. TAS also went to the center of the galaxy. I don't think TFF said how long the trip actually took, maybe it was several days or weeks.

They're definitely not behaving like it's weeks.

The warp scale is ridiculous in it's Inconsistencies. In TOS they hit warp 13 but then in TNG they hit warp 10 and Picard comments that "no one has ever gone this fast," and then Voyager has 10 as "infinite velocity."

How many warp scales are there?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

How many warp scales are there?

There are Officially 2x Warp Factor Scales.

ST:TOS & earlier era's use the TOS-era Wf Scale.
ST:TNG & newer era's use the TNG-era Wf Scale.

The splitting point is the 24th century.

 

[fireproof78]

There are Officially 2x Warp Factor Scales.

ST:TOS & earlier era's use the TOS-era Wf Scale.
ST:TNG & newer era's use the TNG-era Wf Scale.

The splitting point is the 24th century.

Officially as in its described on screen or fan official from books?

 

[Yistaan]

There are Officially 2x Warp Factor Scales.

ST:TOS & earlier era's use the TOS-era Wf Scale.
ST:TNG & newer era's use the TNG-era Wf Scale.

The splitting point is the 24th century.

It doesn't really matter what the warp scale is because TAS/ST5 has the center of the galaxy and the galactic perimeter (which is also pretty far from Earth) as reachable and TNG until Prodigy does not (starting in Prodigy they're zipping around the galaxy again and the Delta Quadrant is quite reachable)

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Officially as in its described on screen or fan official from books?

Warp factor

Time-Warp factor, better known as warp factor, was the primary means of measuring speeds attained using warp drive. (TOS: "The Cage") The term was often shortened to warp when followed by its value, so that saying "warp six" was the same as saying "warp factor six." Light speed travel began at...

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The original warp scale was described in the writer's guide, The Star Trek Guide, (third revision, p. 8) as a set of warp factors and multiples of light speed that can be obtained by raising a warp factor to the third power. [3] This information appeared in widespread print in The Making of Star Trek (1968, p. 191). The book also states a shift in relative time occurs while traveling at warp, an hour might equal to three hours experienced outside the ship

Warp factor

Time-Warp factor, better known as warp factor, was the primary means of measuring speeds attained using warp drive. (TOS: "The Cage") The term was often shortened to warp when followed by its value, so that saying "warp six" was the same as saying "warp factor six." Light speed travel began at...

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A document dated May 14, 1986 and attributed to Gene Roddenberry places warp 10 at the top of the scale: "Beyond that time-space continuity is disoperative." The corresponding velocity is given as "the speed of light multiplied by the speed of light ten times", whereas warp 2 is now "the speed of light squared", implying a general rule of the speed of light to the power of the warp factor. Aside from warp 1 mapping to the speed of light, it is unclear how this was to be applied in practice. There is, however, a clue in the statement that only 34% of the galaxy has been explored as opposed to 18% in TOS, suggesting improvements without major breakthroughs. [4]

The Writers'/Directors' Guide revision of March 23, 1987 confirms that warp 1 remains the speed of light and accepts warp 10 as "the physical limit of the universe – beyond that normal time-space relationships do not exist and a ship at that velocity may simply cease to exist." As in the classic series, warp 6 is the highest cruising speed, though the stated equivalent of a light year per hour is more in keeping with .73 in the format of 1964 than the 41-hour light year by the cubed scale, or the 22 hours it would take to traverse the distance in the final revision. At this early version of warp 6, however, the Enterprise would need 308 years to travel the 2,700,000 light years it covered in TNG: "Where No One Has Gone Before", consistent with Geordi La Forge's "over three hundred years" in the episode.

By the creation of Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual, the warp factor scale used by Starfleet in the 24th century was based on a recalibration of the scale used in the Original Series. Rather than a simple geometric progression based on relative speed, warp factors were established to be based upon the amount of power required to transition from one warp plateau to another. For example, the power to initially get to warp factor 1 was much more than the power required to maintain it; likewise warp 2, 3, 4, and so on. Those transitional power points rather than observed speed were then assigned the integer warp factors. These transitional points were established to apply to the original warp scale as well in the canonical warp chart presented in "First Flight".

According to an article in Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 1, Issue 6, p. 44 by André Bormanis, this scale change occurred in 2312. A term was added to the above equation that caused the speed to rise slightly at lower warp factor, but to become infinite at warp 10. The ratio v/c at a given warp factor is equal to the corresponding cochrane value that describes the subspace distortion.

Gene Roddenberry stated that he wanted to avoid the ever-increasing warp factors used in the original series to force added tension to the story, and so imposed the limit of warp 10 as infinite speed.

The side effect of his desire to prevent "ever-increasing warp factors" used in TOS is the stacking of 9's after the decimal point.
Ergo Wf 9.9999…

It becomes a mouthful to say & process mentally since they take the new Warp Factor formula, and have a hand drawn scale to infinity past Warp Factor 9.0.

In this case, warp 1 is equivalent to c (as it was in the 23rd century scale), but above warp 9 the speed increases exponentially, approaching infinity as the warp factor approaches 10.

This created it's own problem of making it harder to understand how fast you really were traveling using quick mental math because you were stacking 9's after the decimal place.
It isn't nearly as obvious compared to just increasing the number using the old system.

t doesn't really matter what the warp scale is because TAS/ST5 has the center of the galaxy and the galactic perimeter (which is also pretty far from Earth) as reachable and TNG until Prodigy does not (starting in Prodigy they're zipping around the galaxy again and the Delta Quadrant is quite reachable)

Unfortunate Writers Inconsistency & not understanding the "True Scale" of the Galaxy / Universe.

It's a real Trope "Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale".

 

[fireproof78]

Warp factor

Time-Warp factor, better known as warp factor, was the primary means of measuring speeds attained using warp drive. (TOS: "The Cage") The term was often shortened to warp when followed by its value, so that saying "warp six" was the same as saying "warp factor six." Light speed travel began at...

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Warp factor

Time-Warp factor, better known as warp factor, was the primary means of measuring speeds attained using warp drive. (TOS: "The Cage") The term was often shortened to warp when followed by its value, so that saying "warp six" was the same as saying "warp factor six." Light speed travel began at...

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If only it appeared on screen.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

If only it appeared on screen.

Doesn't really need to, it's been leaked to the fandom, used in production, and used in the Technical Manuals.

All the Trekkies who care understand the Warp Factor Formula's, the historical baggage that comes with it, etc; they all know about it.

 

[fireproof78]

Doesn't really need to, it's been leaked to the fandom and in Technical Manuals.

All the Trekkies who care understand the Warp Factor Formula's, the historical baggage, etc.

Well, it's early yet but nice to be told I don't care

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Well, it's early yet but nice to be told I don't care

Not every rule of Trek is shown on-screen in explicit manners.

Yet we the fandom knows about it through outside of On-Screen shown content literature.

The info is there if you care to do the reading, there are countless YT videos that pull from the same base sources as well.

 

[fireproof78]

Not every rule of Trek is shown on-screen in explicit manners.

So it creates an inconstancy unless one reads extraneous material.

Fascinating how that use to be acceptable in fandom.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

So it creates an inconstancy unless one reads extraneous material.

Fascinating how that use to be acceptable in fandom.

That's been the way it's been in most fandoms.

There are TONS of extraneous reading material that is available for the fans to buy.

That's why the ST:TNG Technical Manual existed, to give you every little detail that they couldn't fit on-screen for practical reasons.

That's why Star Trek had Official Data Sheets that were sold.

That applies to Gundam & other Fan Franchises as well.

You can't fit everything onto the screen with limited "Screen Time".

So you sell IRL Books & other Source Material to cover all the details you didn't have time to show on screen.

Star Wars has similar books that covers every little detail as well.

 

[fireproof78]

That's been the way it's been in most fandoms.

There are TONS of extraneous reading material that is available for the fans to buy.

That's why the ST:TNG Technical Manual existed, to give you every little detail that they couldn't fit on-screen for practical reasons.

That's why Star Trek had Official Data Sheets that were sold.

That applies to Gundam & other Fan Franchises as well.

You can't fit everything onto the screen with limited "Screen Time".

So you sell IRL Books & other Source Material to cover all the details you didn't have time to show on screen.

Star Wars has similar books that covers every little detail as well.

I've read many.

What's fascinating is the fact that such material doesn't constitute an inconsistency due to lack of on screen evidence.

That is all I have to say on the matter.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Warp factor scales were described in
The Making of Star Trek,
The TNG Technical Manual.
For non-canon material it doesn't more official than those.

P.S. The data in the Franz Joseph Tech Manual was derived from what's in The Making of Star Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

To borrow a quote from SF DEBRIS:

"You don't get credit for stuff you don't put in the movie because, now try to follow this because it's a pretty big leap, you didn't put it in the movie. I shouldn't have to wait months and watch all your deleted scenes to say 'Oh, this finally makes sense!' or pore through some non-canon books to say 'Oh, so this isn't a pile of nonsensical horseshit after all!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

To borrow a quote from SF DEBRIS:

You don't really want to waste precious screen time talking about things you don't have to.

Does anybody explain how a car works on TV?

Most people don't care about how the basic car works; it either does or doesn't.

The details be damned.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

To borrow a quote from SF DEBRIS:

I agree with that quote.

 

[Fateor]

It doesn't really matter what the warp scale is because TAS/ST5 has the center of the galaxy and the galactic perimeter (which is also pretty far from Earth) as reachable and TNG until Prodigy does not (starting in Prodigy they're zipping around the galaxy again and the Delta Quadrant is quite reachable)

General reminder that the galactic perimeter can be reached by vertical travel instead of horizontal.

And around the spiral arms, the galaxy is only about 1,000 light years thick. So reaching the galactic perimeter wouldn't even be the equivalent of traveling from one end of the Federation to the other.