Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x03 - "Ghosts of Illyria"

[jackoverfull]

not officially, but I don't see how anything works otherwise - the next show being Enterprise, which contradicted a lot of small details and lore established in TOS and TNG, and already had a built in time-war, right after a movie that rewrote the timeline from an earlier point, multiple times during the course of the movie.

are we really discussing conflicting canon again? Because I had enough of that this week, thank you.

and the NX went from having blown up

uh?

Its the one theory that explains ALL of the things people can complain about.

It’s ONE theory. And one I like a lot. But it’s still a theory with zero evidence. Also, the DS9 and Voy episodes happening after FC, and the two later TNG movies, in which timeline take place then? Keep in mind that 7 even refers to the events of FC once.

I can go with it. And if it can retcon Generations out because the timeline was rewritten afterward??

why?! Especially now that’s really unlikely we’ll ever see Shatner in Star Trek again.

That said, the Kelvin timeline having spawned a second timeline has been confirmed in discovery season 3, so that is canon. Why exactly that happened, instead of the original timeline being rewritten as it usually happens with time travel, is still unknown as of now.

 

[fireproof78]

Probably something with Red Matter. Exotic materials seem to impact timeline generation, like in Parallels.

 

[Tuskin38]

that 7 even refers to the events of FC once.

Twice, Relativity and Year of Hell.

Seven of Nine and the crew of the Relativity called the events of First Contact a Pogo Paradox (something made up by the writers).
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Pogo_paradox

Such a paradox occurred in 2373, when the Borg traveled back in time to 2063 to prevent Zefram Cochrane from breaking the warp barrier. Although successful in their attempts, the alterations to the timeline led the USS Enterprise-E to intervene. In order to repair the damage done to history, the Enterprise crew was forced to assist Cochrane in making his scheduled launch, thereby not only ensuring the restoration of the original timeline, but instigating it as well.

The Enterprise-E resorted the original timeline when they prevented the Borg from stopping First Contact. It didn't create an alternate timeline.

The events in the past always happened. Either that or every episode/movie that takes place after First Contact is in this hypothetical alternate timeline.

The Borg episode of Enterprise also retroactively explains the Borg presence in the Alpha Quadrant in the 24th Century. T'Pol says the signal the assimilated ship sent out would take around 200 years to reach the Delta Quadrant.

 

[Serveaux]

Star Trek canon contradicts itself in a thousand places. Trying to explain or excuse it all is a waste of life.

 

[Deidesheim]

I don't know if it's been brought up before in this long thread but I don't understand how Number One made the antibodies and through proximity gave them to La'an? The radiation from the warp core allowed for the antibodies to be transferred? That doesn't make sense.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't know if it's been brought up before in this long thread but I don't understand how Number One made the antibodies and through proximity gave them to La'an? The radiation from the warp core allowed for the antibodies to be transferred? That doesn't make sense.

Physical contact? La'An being of augment descent?

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I thoroughly enjoyed this.

Shades of TNG: "Relics" about the surprise ending.

Although Uhura's quarters are barely a step up from what we see in LD. (At least the bunk isn't in a corridor!)

Interesting use of the strangest wipe I've ever seen, transitioning between Una and her log entry to M'Benga and his daughter. And I'm still not convinced that SNW M'Benga isn't simply a relative (almost certainly an older one) of TOS M'Benga. I have a friend who's a retired physician (a gynecologist), who followed his uncle (a general surgeon) into medicine. And Booker Bradshaw was 27 when "A Private Little War" was shot, while Babs Olusanmokun was almost a decade older when the first season of SNW (which takes place in-universe almost a decade before TOS) was shot. Thus, one can conclude that TOS M'Benga (Jabilo M'Benga, according to at least one novel) is a younger relative of SNW M'Benga (Joseph M'Benga, canonically), a younger relative who (based on actors' ages at the time of filming) would have probably been, at most, a pre-med undergrad freshman at the time of SNW.

 

[Tuskin38]

and his daughter. And I'm still not convinced that SNW M'Benga isn't simply a relative (almost certainly an older one) of TOS M'Benga.

The creators have said he’s the TOS M’Benga.
Actor’s age doesn’t mean anything.

His first name comes from an unproduced TOS script.

 

[fireproof78]

I think.its simpler that it's the same character.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

The creators have said he’s the TOS M’Benga.

"The creators" (possibly The Great Bird Himself) also said that Data was created by the same unknown aliens who had accidentally wiped out the colony where he was found. Possibly as an act of atonement for wiping out the colony. Until Robert Lewin and Maurice Hurley came up with Noonien Soong, Lore, the Crystaline Entity, and a much better backstory for Data.

 

[Serveaux]

"Created by aliens" was a far better backstory.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

8 for me

I liked this one and we learn that Number One is in fact alien. Yay!

I am digging this show

 

[Quantum21]

This is a 10 for me dawg.

Not only was this a breezy, entertaining episode, it may finally deal with the bias against genetic engineering in the Federation (even if the ban clearly remains for years afterwards). I have high hopes for the sequel episode in season 2.

10/10