Star Trek: Starships Model/Magazine Subscription

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  1. Takeru

    Takeru Space Police Premium Member

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    Like TNG and DS9 throwing in Mirandas, Oberths and Excelsiors? If those can still be in service Magees are fine too. It's not a big deal and fits with established facts about some designs remaining in service for more than a hundred years.
     
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  2. 137th Gebirg

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    Hmm... That makes sense, actually. Lord knows the Klingons have been keeping D-7 style ships around for even longer than that (Disco's S1 notwithstanding), so I guess it wouldn't be that much of a stretch that some early-mid 23rd century ships might still be around in the late 24th, albeit in a more reserve roll. Although you'd think they would have all gotten squashed by many of the Borg incursions that happened in the intervening time, or the Dominion War once things got closer to core Fed systems, but there may be a few lay-overs in any case. Point well taken.
     
  3. Dukhat

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    I think he means the STV shuttle that was used as an evacuation shuttle in Generations.
     
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  4. KamenRiderBlade

    KamenRiderBlade Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Having older ships around sitting inside Space Dock wouldn't be an issue if they were museum ships or used for non Front-Line purposes.

    We're still using the B-52 Bomber and plan on using it all the way up to the 2050's making it an airframe that will have served ~100 years.

    Older Space Frames can still be used if they are still in good working order.

    Like repurposing the DSC Shuttle to be a School Shuttle was fine IMO.
     
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  5. dantini

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    It seems more blatant in Discovery. DIS era ships would be 50 years older in PIC than the TMP era ships were in TNG, VOY and DS9. Not a single one of them was seen in the 140 years between DIS and PIC. And this scene seems to use not only DIS ships, but even a DIS spacedock and DIS shuttles at the same time.
    And while they had a very limited number of starship miniatures back in the 80s and early 90s, these days it really shouldn't be necessary to use anachronistic ones. The appropriate CG models exist - and if Eaglemoss convert the DIS models to Lightwave all the time, shouldn't it be possible for Pixomondo to convert and use one or two of the 24th century models in a case like this?
     
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  6. mswood

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    Actually no CBS doesn’t have high res meshes of all these ships.most of the meshes created for tv, film, licenses and various merchandise are for the most part not detailed to the degree many (though not all, certainly) are for the high def release of Discovery and Picard. So no they wouldn’t be able to use most and just keep the same expense of rendering. Trek has a long tradition of reusing both models and CGI ships with little or even no modifications when needing a scene that kept costs down as low as possible.
     
  7. Tuskin38

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    Again, the Short Treks probably don't have the budgets for that, which is why they used existing models.
     
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  8. Dimesdan

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    Concerning the Discovery era ships in that quick establishing shot in Children of Mars:
    I think they're in drydock at Utopia Planetia, being taken apart/stripped for parts before being sent to a ship graveyard.
     
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  11. Dukhat

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    What makes you think that?
     
  12. David cgc

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    I would think it'd be a bigger issue that the Eaglemoss ship library is all in Lightwave format while Pixelmondo uses Maya (and they might be license-encumbered, but I doubt that'd be an obstacle if anyone really wanted a comprehensive library of medium-quality period-accurate background ships that was ready-to-go; cutting Fabio and Ed some more checks would be much less expensive than making new Akira and Intrepid and whatnot models from scratch, though, of course, just using DSC models is cheaper, still). Not every ship on DSC is detailed out to the extent the Discovery is. Not even the Shenzhou model was (no window boxes, for one thing). Even if the Magee model got some extra TLC when it was featured in TTWE, none of the Binary Stars background ships are notably superior to the new models done for Eaglemoss. Even in HD, a ship meant to be seen briefly and/or in the background (and in motion) is going to be a lot less detailed than one meant to be seen in well-lit stills at print resolution.

    I would agree that the screen-used CG models from Enterprise and earlier probably wouldn't stand up unless they were in the extreme background, with the exception of "hero" ships like the Enterprise-D, -E, Voyager, and Defiant, but the new EM models are more than suitable for screen use as background ships.
     
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    To be fair, Enterprise was the first Trek show designed to be shown in HD, albeit 1080p only. Those old models may be better than we think, as most people were still watching shows on SD TVs back then. :)

    I agree, however, that there are likely cross-format issues between the old and new models. Really makes me miss the good old days of practical miniatures. No compatibility issues with those! ;)
     
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  14. David cgc

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    Tell that to that one guy from ILM who kept trying to smash the TMP Enterprise. :p
     
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    I mentioned my two rare, pricey models finally arrived the other day, and, since I just got a decent paycheck from all the overtime I've been doing lately, I thought I'd blow it on some more models. Since my local store got in the newest batch, I picked up the Lakul, and I got the holoship from "Insurrection". (I'd been debating between that one and the 22nd century Romulan BoP a couple of weeks ago and chose the latter, so I thought I'd get it now).

    The holoship might supplant the Andorian ship as the lightest model in the series. I think there's a sliver of metal anywhere on this thing, which has the unfortunate effect of making it look and feel like a toy, instead of a model. Beyond that, the sculpt is really good. I'm honestly not sure which way is the front, but it only fits on the stand one way, so that's that. As I said, great work on the details, but the ship needs some die cast.

    At the other extreme, the Lakul feels like one of the heftier ships in the collection. It's strange seeing it this very dark gray color, as I'm used to seeing it lit up by the Nexus ribbon. You also notice a few things you couldn't really see in the movie, like the gaps in the hull in front of the nacelle struts. My guess is, they fold inward for planetary landing and fold out for spaceflight, kind of like the Phoenix.

    Well, that should tide me over for ships for a while...
     
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    They covered that on Trekyards recently. They did change it somewhat to make it fit more with the TNG aesthetic. It wasn’t just the same exact shuttle.
     
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  17. Dimesdan

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    It's as good a reason as any.
     
  18. mswood

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    I finally got one of the two late deliveries I have still coming from Eaglemoss. The Klingon Bird of Prey in attack position.

    And its the first ship I have got out of hundreds of ships that clearly has a serious paint issue. The ship looks like it was baked in the oven too long.

    It's upper wings are literally brown almost to the gun joint. I am thinking of keeping it as it has taken three years to get from them (I ordered one from the web shop about a year or so ago, so I have a good quality one). Now if I could just get the damn Orion ship, I they wouldn't owe me anything. And that one I never purchased elsewhere. The only ships of the regular line that I don't have multiples copies of are the ships that were created solely for the remaster, as I am not the biggest fan of them, but I would still like to have one.....

    Have to say I am disappointed about the series ending (the regular line), but I am quite pleased with many of the ships yet to make their release in the US.
     
  19. Tuskin38

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    720p actually.

    The live action scenes were upped to 1080p for the Blu-ray release, but all the FX scenes were only rendered for 720p.
     
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  20. Tomalak

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    It was broadcast in 1080i if we're being pedantic! The first three seasons were shot on 35mm film, the fourth switched to digital video.

    But yeah the FX was rendered at 720p.
     
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