Star Trek: Starships Model/Magazine Subscription

[mindx2]

Received the XL E-D today, along with Issues #134 & #135. The Vulcan Survey ship is interesting and nice to have another vulcan ship. However, Dala's Delta Flyer is quite ugly . I just don't like the design plus the underneath is devoid of any details. It's basically flat. I love the larger E-D (this is my 3rd after the XL TOS-E & E-B) but I've always loved this design and the detailing is as good as the smaller version. I know some don't like it because of a few issues but overall it really is a lovely model (and heavy!!).

On a side note Eaglemoss's charging and delivery here in the US has gotten remarkably better this past year. I'm charged one day, the next I have the shipping email and literally two days later the models are delivered. The charge for the XL E-D just cleared my bank account yesterday!

 

[GeekFilter]

I dunno, I think our own @GeekFilter has done a perfect job bringing the Bonaventure into the third dimension: Here.

Thank you! Here are some pics of the mock-ups that were made with input of Bob Kline, the original designer as well as Doug Drexler, Rick Sternbach & John Eaves.

 

[GeekFilter]

First of all, the TAS Bonaventure, like the various Earth-Kzin Wars, is tough to reconcile with established live-action canon. (I'm fine with a few elements slipping into canon, such as Spock's pet Sehlat being euthanized, or Robert April being the Enterprise's first captain, but I prefer to keep most of it out, myself).

More importantly, however, making a 3-D model out of any ship that originated in the 2-D TAS is quite difficult. The closest we came was the Antares, which was based on the grain ship in "More Tribbles, More Troubles".

Most of the ships drawn for TAS were done by Bob Kline, an illustrator that came out of the Air Force and they were actually pretty well thought out. Even if you only saw one angle on the show many had orthographic drawings and could have been turned into fully realized three dimensional models.

 

[F. King Daniel]

First of all, the TAS Bonaventure, like the various Earth-Kzin Wars, is tough to reconcile with established live-action canon. (I'm fine with a few elements slipping into canon, such as Spock's pet Sehlat being euthanized, or Robert April being the Enterprise's first captain, but I prefer to keep most of it out, myself).

More importantly, however, making a 3-D model out of any ship that originated in the 2-D TAS is quite difficult. The closest we came was the Antares, which was based on the grain ship in "More Tribbles, More Troubles".

They're making models of early concept versions of ships, and ones that only ever appeared on novel covers or calanders. Canonicity isn't an issue.

 

[pst]

They're making models of early concept versions of ships, and ones that only ever appeared on novel covers or calanders. Canonicity isn't an issue.

they're making one for the concept ship from the speculative DS9 season 8. i think this collection is going to outlive us all.

hey side note: why hasn't anyone bugged them to make an IKC gr'oth? surely that's more appealing than fake delta flyer.

 

[Richard Baker]

Thank you! Here are some pics of the mock-ups that were made with input of Bob Kline, the original designer as well as Doug Drexler, Rick Sternbach & John Eaves.

Anybody know why the Bonaventue's registry has the NCC at the end of the numbers?

 

[137th Gebirg]

And it has five digits! It was probably meant to indicate an older numbering system, possibly pre-Federation. Can't remember exactly what years she was supposed to have been in service. But it seems similar to the differences on how stardates were shown between TOS and TNG.

 

[137th Gebirg]

The Glenn showed up on the US webstore for ordering yesterday, oddly in the Hobbit & LOTR section.
I managed to order one before it went into out of stock status, now we'll see if the order is actually fulfilled. It'll be nice to get one and not pay Ebay prices.

https://shop.eaglemoss.com/usa/the-hobbit-and-lord-of-the-rings/uss-glenn

This seems to have disappeared.

 

[STR]

It looks way better now.

Well except the rear of the nacelles.

Ever read John Eaves anecdote about how one of his 1701-E sketches looked like a chicken carcass? Cryptic didn't. They committed the exact same sin that the better artist recognized and abandoned.

EDIT: turkey carcass per this telling:
http://www.startrek.com/article/john-eaves-on-designing-the-enterprise-e

 

[Tuskin38]

Ever read John Eaves anecdote about how one of his 1701-E sketches looked like a chicken carcass? Cryptic didn't. They committed the exact same sin that the better artist recognized and abandoned.

EDIT: turkey carcass per this telling:
http://www.startrek.com/article/john-eaves-on-designing-the-enterprise-e

I don’t agree

 

[Kevman7987]

I hate forward swept pylons. I know it doesn't matter in space, but it doesn't look aerodynamic.

 

[GeekFilter]

Anybody know why the Bonaventue's registry has the NCC at the end of the numbers?

And it has five digits! It was probably meant to indicate an older numbering system, possibly pre-Federation. Can't remember exactly what years she was supposed to have been in service. But it seems similar to the differences on how stardates were shown between TOS and TNG.

There was no in-show reason--it was the Filmation designer's attempt to show an outdated Federation vessel. It was pre-Enterprise--obviously (1973) but in our attempt to reconcile everything we set it just at the dawn of the Federation. The "Bonnie" is the ship Trip Tucker references as the new ships that can go Warp 7. This came from our research and talking to Doug Drexler who looked at the Bonaventure when designing the NX-01 and its refit.

From our episode:
2156-2160 Romulan War
2159 - Bonaventure construction started - first ship with modern warp drive. Put on hold when the war ends abruptly
2161 UFP - "Bonnie" re-tasked as an exploration vessel
2162 maiden voyage - 1 year missions (prototypes of the longer 5 year missions of Kirk's time)
2165 - vanishes on her 3rd voyage in the area known as the Delta Triangle
2269 - Discovered by the crew of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701

 

[137th Gebirg]

Thank you for the clarification! It's rare when people close to something like this has direct information about it.

 

[GeekFilter]

Thank you for the clarification! It's rare when people close to something like this has direct information about it.

Well that is our FAN idea of the timeline which people agree makes the most sense...but that's not canon (yet! LOL) But the reason for the odd registry was just to show it was older/odd. I kind of though it might make sense when the Federation is just starting out you have all these different cultures that notate dates, and numbers differently that maybe the early registries were a bit random or depended on who was building out the majority of the ship.

 

[USS Belmont]

What are the odds that Eaglemoss will make the other guest starships within the same class already released that appeared in the shows? Like the Ambassador class Zhukov? Intrepid class Bellerophon? Galaxy class Yamato or Odyssey?

 

[137th Gebirg]

Better than average, I would think. They're doing just about every kind of Miranda variant shown on screen, including the upcoming Antares, which was not much more than a 10-pixel blur in the DS9 frankenfleet. They just announced an expansion up to 160 issues, which I think is the 4th or 5th since the line first began. If they continue to go that route, I'd like to see the Galaxy class USS Venture with the modded warp engines and custom fleet-designation paint job.

 

[pst]

custom fleet-designation paint job.

do you mean the CGI error that gave the galaxy-classes at starbase 375 dark gray necks?

 

[F. King Daniel]

There was no in-show reason--it was the Filmation designer's attempt to show an outdated Federation vessel. It was pre-Enterprise--obviously (1973) but in our attempt to reconcile everything we set it just at the dawn of the Federation. The "Bonnie" is the ship Trip Tucker references as the new ships that can go Warp 7. This came from our research and talking to Doug Drexler who looked at the Bonaventure when designing the NX-01 and its refit.

From our episode:
2156-2160 Romulan War
2159 - Bonaventure construction started - first ship with modern warp drive. Put on hold when the war ends abruptly
2161 UFP - "Bonnie" re-tasked as an exploration vessel
2162 maiden voyage - 1 year missions (prototypes of the longer 5 year missions of Kirk's time)
2165 - vanishes on her 3rd voyage in the area known as the Delta Triangle
2269 - Discovered by the crew of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701

"She was the first ship to have warp drive installed!" Pretty unambiguously puts the Bonaventure long before Enterprise. Phoenix was the proof of concept, Bonaventure was the first attempt putting it into a functional vessel.

 

[137th Gebirg]

do you mean the CGI error that gave the galaxy-classes at starbase 375 dark gray necks?

Not sure it was an error. There were a couple of other surface changes too, the most obvious being the extra detailing on the warp engines that resembled the engines on Riker's E-D dreadnaught in AGT. Are you saying the neck coloring was an error in the texture mapping? Fascinating - I hadn't heard that before, and thought it was completely intentional, as a kind of fleet designation marking/war paint.

 

[Tuskin38]

I thought the dark areas were left over from the Gal-X model or something.

I don't think there is an official answer out there.

the most obvious being the extra detailing on the warp engines that resembled the engines on Riker's E-D dreadnaught in AGT.

Interesting fact that some people don't realize or notice, is while those pieces are the same ones from the AGT Enterprise, they're actually flipped around compare to it.

Notice the position of the phaser array, it's in the front on the Venture

USS Venture (DS9)

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