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[Tuskin38]

also says that the ship was on a five year mission to the Lesser Magellanic Cloud, which is utter nonsense.

Why? They could of found a wormhole or subspace tunnel or some other way to get there.

I believe that happened in TLE novel in fact. Though it was Sulu and the Excelsior, and possibly the Large Magellanic Cloud not the Small Magellanic Cloud. I haven't gotten back there on my re-read yet.

 

[Dukhat]

Why? They could of found a wormhole or subspace tunnel or some other way to get there.

I believe that happened in TLE novel in fact. Though it was Sulu and the Excelsior, and possibly the Large Magellanic Cloud not the Small Magellanic Cloud. I haven't gotten back there on my re-read yet.

I believe DS9 mentioned that there had never been a stable wormhole discovered until the Bajoran one.

 

[fireproof78]

To borrow terminology from TMP and TNG perhaps they fell through a black hole.

 

[FreezeC77]

I believe DS9 mentioned that there had never been a stable wormhole discovered until the Bajoran one.

Yea. TNG had an episode where a negotiation was being done with the Federation, Ferrengi, and a couple others to get access to a wormhole and then they found out it wasn't actually stable since the exit would change (which made it a one-way trip once it closed)

 

[F. King Daniel]

I believe DS9 mentioned that there had never been a stable wormhole discovered until the Bajoran one.

I'm pretty sure a modern Trek has already contradicted this Can't remember where, though.

Anyways, there could have been a temporary [technical-sounding name for magic rift here] or new drive system that caused too much space pollution or whatever.

That said, it was a tiny background plaque that was never ever visible on-screen so of course it's locked in as the most canon thing possible in Star Trek.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm pretty sure a modern Trek has already contradicted this Can't remember where, though.

Well, yeah, modern Trek has contradicted lots of things. No argument there.

Anyways, there could have been a temporary [technical-sounding name for magic rift here] or new drive system that caused too much space pollution or whatever.

Then one would think that information would have been on the plaque.

That said, it was a tiny background plaque that was never ever visible on-screen so of course it's locked in as the most canon thing possible in Star Trek.

Absolutely. I take all of those plaques’ information with a grain of salt, especially the commissioning date for Picard’s Stargazer, which also doesn’t make sense.

 

[Firebird]

Wouldn't a trip to either of the Magellanic Clouds present a problem due to crossing through the Galactic Barrier?

 

[Tuskin38]

Then one would think that information would have been on the plaque.

Why would it need to be? It would probably be common knowledge in universe.

especially the commissioning date for Picard’s Stargazer, which also doesn’t make sense.

Why does it not make sense?

 

[Turtletrekker]

Wouldn't a trip to either of the Magellanic Clouds present a problem due to crossing through the Galactic Barrier?

Quiet, you!

 

[Dukhat]

Why would it need to be? It would probably be common knowledge in universe.

All of the other information on all those other plaques was ‘common knowledge’ as well. So in 2301 if Starfleet found a way for one of its ships to travel a ridiculous distance to another galaxy, spend five years studying it, then return home by the same way it came, and then finally lose that ability for the next 60 years, you’d better believe that information would have been on that plaque.

Why does it not make sense?

1. The commissioning date of 2326 came from the original Stargazer dedication plaque made for ‘The Battle’ in which the ship was Constitution class and had a stardate that was not consistent with the established system made later for TNG.

2. The Stargazer’s sister ship USS Hathaway whose registry is similar to the Stargazer’s, was commissioned in the 2280’s. So to have a ship with TMP technology commissioned in 2326, with a similar registry, makes no sense. Also, a 2326 commissioning date would only make the ship 38 years old by ‘The Battle.’ Picard consistently refers to the Stargazer as an old outdated ship. Based on what we see, he is correct. So it should be much older than only 38 years.

 

[The Wormhole]

IIRC, the old Stargazer novel series also went with the 2326 commissioning date, though there's a lot in those novels that doesn't really add up anyway. Like the Constellation class being described as "capital ships" which I would think in the time period they take place in (2330s) that term would apply to the Excelsior and Ambassador class ships. The novels also describe the crew quarters on the Stargazer as "apartments" and are described as being spacious enough to include a living room, separate bedroom and bathroom. Even though in The Battle we see Picard's Stargazer quarters were significantly smaller.

 

[Dukhat]

IIRC, the old Stargazer novel series also went with the 2326 commissioning date, though there's a lot in those novels that doesn't really add up anyway. Like the Constellation class being described as "capital ships" which I would think in the time period they take place in (2330s) that term would apply to the Excelsior and Ambassador class ships. The novels also describe the crew quarters on the Stargazer as "apartments" and are described as being spacious enough to include a living room, separate bedroom and bathroom. Even though in The Battle we see Picard's Stargazer quarters were significantly smaller.

The Micheal Jan Friedman Stargazer series? I also recall that he stated that the New Orleans class was older than the Constellation class. Clearly he was not aware of the design of the NO class, or its registry numbers.

 

[Noname Given]

Wouldn't a trip to either of the Magellanic Clouds present a problem due to crossing through the Galactic Barrier?

The Barrier the 1701 successfully crossed in TOS S2 By Any Other Name. ?

 

[Firebird]

The Barrier the 1701 successfully crossed in TOS S2 By Any Other Name. ?

They only crossed it because the technologically-advanced Kelvans modified the ship. Their original ship was destroyed by the barrier when entering the galaxy.

 

[Noname Given]

They only crossed it because the technologically-advanced Kelvans modified the ship. Their original ship was destroyed by the barrier when entering the galaxy.

Um, the Kelvin ship was destroyed on its attempt, so I don't think their Tech gave any advantage. The 1701 also had data from its previous Barrier encounter from TOS S1 Where No Man Has Gone Before.*

Also, Spock believed they could send a 'Robot Ship' across to send a Federation proposal to the Kelvin Empire.

*- Plus the USS Valiant survived going across and back as well 100 years earlier. The Barrier wasn't what destroyed the ship.

 

[Nerys Myk]

They only crossed it because the technologically-advanced Kelvans modified the ship. Their original ship was destroyed by the barrier when entering the galaxy.

Rare photo of the Kelvan modified Enterprise

 

[The Wormhole]

The Micheal Jan Friedman Stargazer series? I also recall that he stated that the New Orleans class was older than the Constellation class. Clearly he was not aware of the design of the NO class, or its registry numbers.

Yep, and good point about the New Orleans class, I do remember now the oddity of it being mentioned as an old design considered lower than the Constellation class, given the New Orleans has a very proto-Galaxy look to it.

 

[fireproof78]

The Barrier the 1701 successfully crossed in TOS S2 By Any Other Name. ?

And again in "Is There No Truth In Beauty?"

Ship wasn't really modified much then.

 

[publiusr]

Rare photo of the Kelvan modified Enterprise
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Nah—that’s the Kamino refit.

 

[Noname Given]

And again in "Is There No Truth In Beauty?"

Ship wasn't really modified much then.

That was retconned in the TOSR version of the episode. Even in the script itself it didn't sound like the galactic barrier; but to save money in the original version of the episode they used VFX of the galactic barrier from the previous episodes featuring it.