And you can't learn how to deal with the possibility of being dead from playing a video game. Which is why field training beats simulations.
Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x06 – “Come, Let’s Away”
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I will write my review tomorrow, but one thing I want to address that I noticed.
The Furies: they reminded me of the ambassador to the Drakh in BABYLON 5's "Lines of Communication". The sort of phase shifting of the face was very much like that.
The Furies: they reminded me of the ambassador to the Drakh in BABYLON 5's "Lines of Communication". The sort of phase shifting of the face was very much like that.
Yeah I was thinking that too. Loved the skull helmets and crowns they were wearing though. Made them look more intimidating.
Well, I think the general concept was still taken from the novels, just modified, just like Discovery's Season 2 control was similar to the novel control.
Non-native speaker here. Isn't there a verb missing? Like, "Come, let's get/move/go away"?
It does not technically need a verb. lets's/ let us, serves the function.
Considering how many holodeck safety protocol failures occurred in the various series, was it really safer than field training?
I'm going to give this a 9 out of 10.
It's genuinely the best episode by far, IMHO.
I have only minor irritations like the whole STD joke that was too crude. I don't get why people keep trying to make Star Trek R-rated for example.
But as a horror episode, this was great.
As much as I loved the Sisko tribute, this should have been the episode Jessie Gender said everyone should turn to.
It's genuinely the best episode by far, IMHO.
I have only minor irritations like the whole STD joke that was too crude. I don't get why people keep trying to make Star Trek R-rated for example.
But as a horror episode, this was great.
As much as I loved the Sisko tribute, this should have been the episode Jessie Gender said everyone should turn to.
Best episode yet.
9 out of 10. Genuine rewatch value and one of the only ones I can say that about. Damn, I'm impressed.
9 out of 10. Genuine rewatch value and one of the only ones I can say that about. Damn, I'm impressed.
Damn! The Force Field was able to slice of that alien's arm.
Also Wrist Mounted Blasters, interesting take on Energy Weapons.
DISCO had enemies with Mega-Man like Arm Cannons, these crazy furies have back of wrist mounted blasters.
New ways to do the same old thing of flinging energy at your enemies.
Also Wrist Mounted Blasters, interesting take on Energy Weapons.
DISCO had enemies with Mega-Man like Arm Cannons, these crazy furies have back of wrist mounted blasters.
New ways to do the same old thing of flinging energy at your enemies.
Character Observation:
TWO people died for Caleb in the span of an hour.
Caleb is someone who has been raised to believe the Federation was all lies and now he's going to be uncomfortably aware that they absolutely will die for other people and that he only draws breath because of their sacrifice.
It may also make him horrified by the prospect of joining Starfleet. Which I don't think he planned to at this point anyway.
TWO people died for Caleb in the span of an hour.
Caleb is someone who has been raised to believe the Federation was all lies and now he's going to be uncomfortably aware that they absolutely will die for other people and that he only draws breath because of their sacrifice.
It may also make him horrified by the prospect of joining Starfleet. Which I don't think he planned to at this point anyway.
Giamatti is the best Trek villain in years. Gotta give it to the producers for hiring him. He's never boring or bad to watch in this. I'm gonna be disappointed to see him killed or put away.
Stream of consciousness incoming...
Not really sure how I feel about this episode, but my problems with it stem from more logical and structural issues than anything else.
Like it's still not clear why they just let Braka go in the first episode, after they basically murdered everyone else on his ship. Obviously he needed to escape because he's the main villain so fine, but the way he was written off the pilot made no sense then and it just comes back to me now.
The conceit of the exercise is strange too... why go through all that trouble when they presumably have even more advanced holodecks than the ones we've seen in the 24th century? They go out of their way to reset the ship after every exercise? Would that be like having Navy cadet dive teams go to the USS Arizona for exercises and then having another dive team go and scrub everything just to get it ready for the next exercise?
I think my other problem with everyone speaking like they're from 20th century Earth is that it makes the galaxy a smaller place. In the same way that all of Star Wars basically takes place on Tattooine - every movie, every tv show, every book, whatever eventually ends up there - the fact that all aliens seem to just share common references to 20th century American English humanity just makes these characters more like Bond villains than actual aliens.
So not only does Braka and the bat aliens speak English, they also speak French and know what "bon appetite" means and how it's meant to be a troll because they purposefully sent an easily decrypted message in two human languages. Somehow Braka knows the Sound of Music to be able to make a reference that he assumes Ake and the others would understand, and he also knows how to use a record player. Yeah, it's a nitpick, but I don't get why he needed to be an alien at that point... just make him human. What's the difference?
There's also Genesis knowing the idiom needle in a haystack, but I just try my best to ignore that stuff from the regular cast now.
As for the meat of the episode, it's interesting because I'm not sure what the A and B stories are this week. It almost feels like what happens to the cadets is pretty incidental compared to the Ake/Braka storyline. And if anything the cadet storyline felt like a bit of a letdown because of how they've depicted the whole "warring frat houses" thing. I guess it's sad that B'Avi does, but not because it's B'Avi in particular, but because it's just generally sad when someone dies. If they at least did an episode from the War College's perspective, then maybe it wouldn't feel like a red shirt death. I get you're not going to kill any of the main cast, and I get the beat of making the cadets - Braka refers to them as teens - experience death first hand... but killing two people I don't really know just makes it a bit hollow for me as an audience member.
Still, I thought the Tarima reveal of being a Tam Elbrun-esque figure was an interesting development at least. And showing how SAM is vulnerable, considering she had previously made herself basically impervious to weapons fire in the laser tag episode, at least explains why she can't just tank everything I guess. But the Miyazaki and the lore of the crew... I don't know if Tales From the Frontier is a real comic book, but without any kind of connection to it as an audience member it's similar to B'Avi's death where I guess it's sad that a crew lost their lives but oh well. They might as well be the dead people on Station J119 that all got massacred in this episode.
Incidentally that reminds me - there are clearly Japanese people in this universe if they are naming ships after Japanese people, but no one makes like anime references instead of American pop culture references? No one says calls someone a bakayaro instead of asshole, or refers to going Super Saiyan or whatever? I mean I assume this ship isn't named after Hayao Miyazaki but maybe have someone talk about cat buses or how Caleb is total Totoro or something.
I think the Ake/Braka thing was more interesting, even though I don't like how it was basically two scenes where the characters monologued at each other. It reminded me of why I didn't like Shaw in Picard S3, because they just had him yell at Picard instead of doing or showing anything that would explain that relationship. So you get a lore dump of Ake letting her son die when faced with a "no win scenario". Like the idea is fine and turning it into an Eddington moment of the Federation being the Borg is fine too, especially if connected to the Klingon episode and Jay-Den's argument about how the Federation tries to force its culture onto the Klingons... I just wish it was presented better.
I *have* to assume that the "Star Trek" thing to do would be that Ake brings Braka to justice and not "end him" as the Admiral suggests at the end of the episode. Like that seems to be the only logical solution to this. Or at least it is like a classic Kirk battle where Ake offers Braka a chance to surrender but he chooses to die instead, maybe taking the secret of Caleb's mother with him. But I'm invested in seeing how that turns out, assuming they wrap it up this season.
I dunno... I really liked last week's episode despite its issues (like the pointless bar scene), so I'm a bit disappointed to find another episode where I like the individual pieces but the episode as a whole ends up being less than the sum of its parts.
I guess at least this show hasn't made me angry at the wasted potential like SNW S3 did?
Not really sure how I feel about this episode, but my problems with it stem from more logical and structural issues than anything else.
Like it's still not clear why they just let Braka go in the first episode, after they basically murdered everyone else on his ship. Obviously he needed to escape because he's the main villain so fine, but the way he was written off the pilot made no sense then and it just comes back to me now.
The conceit of the exercise is strange too... why go through all that trouble when they presumably have even more advanced holodecks than the ones we've seen in the 24th century? They go out of their way to reset the ship after every exercise? Would that be like having Navy cadet dive teams go to the USS Arizona for exercises and then having another dive team go and scrub everything just to get it ready for the next exercise?
I think my other problem with everyone speaking like they're from 20th century Earth is that it makes the galaxy a smaller place. In the same way that all of Star Wars basically takes place on Tattooine - every movie, every tv show, every book, whatever eventually ends up there - the fact that all aliens seem to just share common references to 20th century American English humanity just makes these characters more like Bond villains than actual aliens.
So not only does Braka and the bat aliens speak English, they also speak French and know what "bon appetite" means and how it's meant to be a troll because they purposefully sent an easily decrypted message in two human languages. Somehow Braka knows the Sound of Music to be able to make a reference that he assumes Ake and the others would understand, and he also knows how to use a record player. Yeah, it's a nitpick, but I don't get why he needed to be an alien at that point... just make him human. What's the difference?
There's also Genesis knowing the idiom needle in a haystack, but I just try my best to ignore that stuff from the regular cast now.
As for the meat of the episode, it's interesting because I'm not sure what the A and B stories are this week. It almost feels like what happens to the cadets is pretty incidental compared to the Ake/Braka storyline. And if anything the cadet storyline felt like a bit of a letdown because of how they've depicted the whole "warring frat houses" thing. I guess it's sad that B'Avi does, but not because it's B'Avi in particular, but because it's just generally sad when someone dies. If they at least did an episode from the War College's perspective, then maybe it wouldn't feel like a red shirt death. I get you're not going to kill any of the main cast, and I get the beat of making the cadets - Braka refers to them as teens - experience death first hand... but killing two people I don't really know just makes it a bit hollow for me as an audience member.
Still, I thought the Tarima reveal of being a Tam Elbrun-esque figure was an interesting development at least. And showing how SAM is vulnerable, considering she had previously made herself basically impervious to weapons fire in the laser tag episode, at least explains why she can't just tank everything I guess. But the Miyazaki and the lore of the crew... I don't know if Tales From the Frontier is a real comic book, but without any kind of connection to it as an audience member it's similar to B'Avi's death where I guess it's sad that a crew lost their lives but oh well. They might as well be the dead people on Station J119 that all got massacred in this episode.
Incidentally that reminds me - there are clearly Japanese people in this universe if they are naming ships after Japanese people, but no one makes like anime references instead of American pop culture references? No one says calls someone a bakayaro instead of asshole, or refers to going Super Saiyan or whatever? I mean I assume this ship isn't named after Hayao Miyazaki but maybe have someone talk about cat buses or how Caleb is total Totoro or something.
I think the Ake/Braka thing was more interesting, even though I don't like how it was basically two scenes where the characters monologued at each other. It reminded me of why I didn't like Shaw in Picard S3, because they just had him yell at Picard instead of doing or showing anything that would explain that relationship. So you get a lore dump of Ake letting her son die when faced with a "no win scenario". Like the idea is fine and turning it into an Eddington moment of the Federation being the Borg is fine too, especially if connected to the Klingon episode and Jay-Den's argument about how the Federation tries to force its culture onto the Klingons... I just wish it was presented better.
I *have* to assume that the "Star Trek" thing to do would be that Ake brings Braka to justice and not "end him" as the Admiral suggests at the end of the episode. Like that seems to be the only logical solution to this. Or at least it is like a classic Kirk battle where Ake offers Braka a chance to surrender but he chooses to die instead, maybe taking the secret of Caleb's mother with him. But I'm invested in seeing how that turns out, assuming they wrap it up this season.
I dunno... I really liked last week's episode despite its issues (like the pointless bar scene), so I'm a bit disappointed to find another episode where I like the individual pieces but the episode as a whole ends up being less than the sum of its parts.
I guess at least this show hasn't made me angry at the wasted potential like SNW S3 did?
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Nusifer Braka?
Last Starship has the crew of the Omega in uniforms practically identical to the TOS ones.
Established that Ake's father is Lanthanite, no word as to her mother.
Last Starship has the crew of the Omega in uniforms practically identical to the TOS ones.
Established that Ake's father is Lanthanite, no word as to her mother.
The Athena is a training ship and they just all barely survived. I think Ake made the decision to get the students to safety versus chasing a guy in a fleeing ship.
My take on the subject is that they've been repairing the ship for years rather than resetting it. There's some exercises but a reminder that Starfleet Academy's first class is...this class. This is probably the first time they've been there.
I mentioned colleges use students for work after all.
I mean the Furies are human-hybrids. But I also appreciate the mixing of culture in the future.
She's a Federation citizen so I assume she knows lots of Earthisms.
By contrast, this shows the War College is not made of bad people, just school rivals. He died protecting Caleb because he was a hero and the War College is making true Federation officers not just House Slytherin.
I assume it's not a real comic book but might be. It was just showing comics had survived as a medium and also humanizes B'avi before his death. He's a Vulcan who liked comics, which means we know more about him than most Redshirts who aren't getting married.
I'm interested in what he takes so personally about her condemnation.
I doubt that will be the way it goes but I'm still holding out for Caleb's mom to be the leader of the pirates not Nus.
Damn, they were right to get Paul Giamatti to be the big bad.
He does a GREAT job at hamming it up.
I LOVE IT!
He does a GREAT job at hamming it up.
I LOVE IT!
Her mother is human as Ake is a lanthanite/human hybrid
HE WAS TWO DAYS FROM RETIREMENT!
The usual trope of the Extra/Guest Character giving more back story leads to their imminent demise.
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