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Star Trek: Renegades
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Although I don't like Renegades uniforms, I hope they don't do that. The All Good Things uniforms are horrible, and look more like pyjamas than any we've seen on canonical Trek, imho, and seemed designed to make the characters look old and worn out. Something more akin to the First Contact uniform would be a better choice, as the most recent uniform seen on screen not in an alternative timeline/future flashforward. Plus it's got to be easier to produce uniforms that are already produced by fans the world over - research, patterns, etc must be at least partly done for you.
I'll admit that I had reservations about watching this before reading this thread, and was dreading watching it after. It was not as bad as I was expecting. I agree with the general consensus that the script could have been better.
Overall, I thought the crew was interesting and I'd like to see them in other stories and see them developed more.
I thought the scenes back at HQ could mostly have been dropped, particularly the stuff with the grand daughter. I had a hard time really following what was going on at that end of the story because it seemed like just some random scenes with old school Trek actors just to be there. If they're going to be part of the show, it should be very limited like once in a blue moon. I'd like to see what the main characters can do with a focused story.
I thought the FX weren't bad. I think really the one thing that bothered me most about the production was the bridge of the Archer and probably half of that could be fixed in the camera work. I'm not sure if the Batmanesque "bad guy camera tilt" was the feeling they were going for on the Archer bridge, but I knew the whole time I was looking at a set.
The one thing that always bothers me in a fan production, including this one, is the peppering of forced, awkward dialog which seems only to serve the purpose of reminding the viewer that we're looking at the Trekverse. The most egregious example here is the scene where someone detects a bomb in that girl's hand (pardon me for not remembering the names of these people, I lost interest during all of these scenes), and they drop this really awkward, rushed, and monotone description of the bomb that's only meaningful to someone who remembers a specific 15 second interval in TNG: Reunion. It's as if they were reading a script off the tricorder.
"There's a bomb in her hand" with a little tonal urgency in the voice would have been perfectly fine and several orders of magnitude better. I had to sit there and remember what "Triceron" was and by then, I forgot what was going on.
See, if the lady said "There's a bomb in her hand', I would not have forgotten I was watching something that took place in the Star Trek universe. If Chekov and Tuvok were not there, I wouldn't have forgotten.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the "Hey look everyone! We're Star Trek too!!!!" stuff in original Trekverse productions (not strictly Renegades) really turns me off. It bothers me even when official Trek does it -- and they did it a lot. This type of stuff was cringeworthy even when Enterprise did it with Archer's stupid "Sounds to me like we've only postponed the invasion, until what... the 24th century?" remark in ENT: Regeneration.
I don't need that stuff to like original/fan produced Trek productions and it in fact bothers me. All you need to do is put "Star Trek", "Starfleet" or something Trekverse in the title and in the show use transporters, phasers, warp drive, and have Trek aliens, planets, and stories. You already got me with all that stuff. Stop there and tell me a story in that setting.
In my humble "just a viewer" opinion, all I really think needs to change is this:
Focus the script, drop the continuity porn, and make the camera on the Archer bridge level with the ground. But mostly, please focus on the main characters like Lexxa, Icheb, Fixer, etc.
Do that and you can make the hull of the ship yellow for all I care. I'll watch it.
Edit to add: I like Emo/Pissed Off/Bionic Icheb. I'd love to see more stories with this guy.
Overall, I thought the crew was interesting and I'd like to see them in other stories and see them developed more.
I thought the scenes back at HQ could mostly have been dropped, particularly the stuff with the grand daughter. I had a hard time really following what was going on at that end of the story because it seemed like just some random scenes with old school Trek actors just to be there. If they're going to be part of the show, it should be very limited like once in a blue moon. I'd like to see what the main characters can do with a focused story.
I thought the FX weren't bad. I think really the one thing that bothered me most about the production was the bridge of the Archer and probably half of that could be fixed in the camera work. I'm not sure if the Batmanesque "bad guy camera tilt" was the feeling they were going for on the Archer bridge, but I knew the whole time I was looking at a set.
The one thing that always bothers me in a fan production, including this one, is the peppering of forced, awkward dialog which seems only to serve the purpose of reminding the viewer that we're looking at the Trekverse. The most egregious example here is the scene where someone detects a bomb in that girl's hand (pardon me for not remembering the names of these people, I lost interest during all of these scenes), and they drop this really awkward, rushed, and monotone description of the bomb that's only meaningful to someone who remembers a specific 15 second interval in TNG: Reunion. It's as if they were reading a script off the tricorder.
"There's a bomb in her hand" with a little tonal urgency in the voice would have been perfectly fine and several orders of magnitude better. I had to sit there and remember what "Triceron" was and by then, I forgot what was going on.
See, if the lady said "There's a bomb in her hand', I would not have forgotten I was watching something that took place in the Star Trek universe. If Chekov and Tuvok were not there, I wouldn't have forgotten.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but the "Hey look everyone! We're Star Trek too!!!!" stuff in original Trekverse productions (not strictly Renegades) really turns me off. It bothers me even when official Trek does it -- and they did it a lot. This type of stuff was cringeworthy even when Enterprise did it with Archer's stupid "Sounds to me like we've only postponed the invasion, until what... the 24th century?" remark in ENT: Regeneration.
I don't need that stuff to like original/fan produced Trek productions and it in fact bothers me. All you need to do is put "Star Trek", "Starfleet" or something Trekverse in the title and in the show use transporters, phasers, warp drive, and have Trek aliens, planets, and stories. You already got me with all that stuff. Stop there and tell me a story in that setting.
In my humble "just a viewer" opinion, all I really think needs to change is this:
Focus the script, drop the continuity porn, and make the camera on the Archer bridge level with the ground. But mostly, please focus on the main characters like Lexxa, Icheb, Fixer, etc.
Do that and you can make the hull of the ship yellow for all I care. I'll watch it.
Edit to add: I like Emo/Pissed Off/Bionic Icheb. I'd love to see more stories with this guy.
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I, too, think Icheb would make for a great primary character in his own spin-off. He could be driven to avenge his situation by bringing down the very core of Section 31.
Addendum: Jesus, I'm so programmed by the Apple Hive Mind™, I actually typed "iCheb" in the first paragraph before going back and correcting myself. Shit!
Addendum: Jesus, I'm so programmed by the Apple Hive Mind™, I actually typed "iCheb" in the first paragraph before going back and correcting myself. Shit!
I, too, think Icheb would make for a great primary character in his own spin-off. He could be driven to avenge his situation by bringing down the very core of Section 31.
Addendum: Jesus, I'm so programmed by the Apple Hive Mind™, I actually typed "iCheb" in the first paragraph before going back and correcting myself. Shit!
Next thing you know...you'll be typing "MacCoy".
Addendum: Jesus, I'm so programmed by the Apple Hive Mind™, I actually typed "iCheb" in the first paragraph before going back and correcting myself. Shit!
The assimilation is complete.
I, too, think Icheb would make for a great primary character in his own spin-off. He could be driven to avenge his situation by bringing down the very core of Section 31.
Addendum: Jesus, I'm so programmed by the Apple Hive Mind™, I actually typed "iCheb" in the first paragraph before going back and correcting myself. Shit!
Gives whole new meaning to the phrase "I, Borg."
I haven't read the thread. I haven't finished the movie, so please forgive my (redundant) question: Why didn't it work?
Okay, I can understand if actors may not give their best performances in fan-movies but there were professional directors involved but it's still a bad movie. Maybe they have tried to bring in too much. A little less "epic" would have been more. As said I haven't watched it all yet.
I liked Edward Furlong though. Oh my! Edward Furlong.
Okay, I can understand if actors may not give their best performances in fan-movies but there were professional directors involved but it's still a bad movie. Maybe they have tried to bring in too much. A little less "epic" would have been more. As said I haven't watched it all yet.
I liked Edward Furlong though. Oh my! Edward Furlong.
I haven't read the thread. I haven't finished the movie, so please forgive my (redundant) question: Why didn't it work?
Okay, I can understand if actors may not give their best performances in fan-movies but there were professional directors involved but it's still a bad movie. Maybe they have tried to bring in too much. A little less "epic" would have been more. As said I haven't watched it all yet.
I liked Edward Furlong though. Oh my! Edward Furlong.
I would speculate...like I did in another thread...that it kinda collapses under the weight of its own ambition. (Not to mention, the StarFleet uniforms really looked ill fit, and slapped together....that took me out of the "these are StarFleet officers" view.) (Personal opinion only.
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Oooh, yes, there is nothing worse than a costume that's one or two numbers too large. The same with "of gods and men". I totally agree. The uniform of that Cpt. Harriman in that movie. The brigde can be as good as it gets, bad costumes can really destroy all the illusion.
There must be some trek-fan-tailors available, who would invest time and love and help out. When I was younger I had a tailor-made Star Trek II uniform. it can't be a money thing.
Now the exciting story of my tailor made uniform:
A friend of my parents was a tailor. I bought the pattern from a scifi shop and the tailor liked it and made one for me. I had to show him some scenes from the movies (when Kirk returned from Regula 1 and gets on his uniform).
It was out of cashmere btw. That was the only cloth in the shop that had the right colour and I remember how the vendor (an elderly woman) really lost her polite smile when I informed her what it was for.
There must be some trek-fan-tailors available, who would invest time and love and help out. When I was younger I had a tailor-made Star Trek II uniform. it can't be a money thing.
Now the exciting story of my tailor made uniform:
A friend of my parents was a tailor. I bought the pattern from a scifi shop and the tailor liked it and made one for me. I had to show him some scenes from the movies (when Kirk returned from Regula 1 and gets on his uniform).
It was out of cashmere btw. That was the only cloth in the shop that had the right colour and I remember how the vendor (an elderly woman) really lost her polite smile when I informed her what it was for.
Oooh, yes, there is nothing worse than a costume that's one or two numbers too large. The same with "of gods and men". I totally agree. The uniform of that Cpt. Harriman in that movie. The brigde can be as good as it gets, bad costumes can really destroy all the illusion.
There must be some trek-fan-tailors available, who would invest time and love and help out. When I was younger I had a tailor-made Star Trek II uniform. it can't be a money thing.
Now the exciting story of my tailor made uniform:
A friend of my parents was a tailor. I bought the pattern from a scifi shop and the tailor liked it and made one for me. I had to show him some scenes from the movies (when Kirk returned from Regula 1 and gets on his uniform).
It was out of cashmere btw. That was the only cloth in the shop that had the right colour and I remember how the vendor (an elderly woman) really lost her polite smile when I informed her what it was for.
Very cool.
Shame to hear about the closed-minded old woman though.this might just be me, but I watched Star Gate: SG1 last night, and it occurred to me, Lexxa reminds me a bit of Farscapes Aeryn Sun, now if we could just get Claudia Black to guest star, that would be awesomehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeryn_Sun
Script and editing seemed to be mostly agreed-upon as the biggest challenges. Also that the story is a planet-busting epic that would have been hard to deliver at twenty times the budget.
It has a certain charm, though, I have to say.
Thanks.
I had noticed the discussion about problems with the script though. That goes around since the frist public screening at some convention.
I guess I will finish watching the movie some day.
So, is it "Seen Bean" or "Shawn Bawn".
You can't have it both ways.
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I didn't know anyone else used this phrase. I feel less alone in the universe now.
His was the only performance I warmed up to over the course of the movie.I liked Edward Furlong though. Oh my! Edward Furlong.
It had a host of problems, but nothing that--and I never thought I'd say this--an executive or two couldn't tackle. I had the fortune of speaking with a member of the crew and they mentioned a design element that worked fine with a conventional Star Trek film, but didn't work for Renegades' very different perspective on the universe. The creator was adamant; they created something they loved (that's why they were working for free), but were told it wasn't good enough. After much arguing, it was eventually incorporated in a different role and that person designed a new one that fit with Renegades.
When every little thing is a personal labor of love, it's got to be a nightmare to cut away the fat and make a good production.
This seemed to get better an better as it went on. A few characters needed to be cut to make it work for me, and two fairly important roles were cast poorly, I thought. The plot twists and turns toward the end were a highlight for me.
The poor CGI near the opening of the film really makes a viewer lose faith, at least it did for me. But overall I enjoyed it.
The poor CGI near the opening of the film really makes a viewer lose faith, at least it did for me. But overall I enjoyed it.
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