Star Trek: Renegades
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This would also explain the whole "conspiracy at Starfleet Command" plotline that sort of seemed to be part of the aliens' attack on Earth, but then again not so much. Why would they need to blow up Admiral Chekov by planting a nano-bomb in his granddaughter's hand? They actually wouldn't. But who would will be explained in future episodes.
It's as good as any ep of Enterprise, and that was (obviously) broadcast quality.
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Oh, definitely. Enterprise premiered in 2001, but it had that 90s feel all over it.
Just no. Enterprise blows "Prelude..." out of the water.
It doesn't mean "Prelude..." is bad, just that it isn't in the same league. It isn't even close.
yes Tuvok talking about how their lives had been manipulate, kinda points to that.
I imagine it will be dependent on another crowdfunding campaign. Given the feedback here, I'd be surprised if that ended up succeeding, but this place may not be indicative of how their backers recieved the pilot.
I'm going to start by saying that I do believe the concept has potential, and I'm interested to see what they do with it for future instalments. I'm hopeful they'll actually think about the comments from those who didn't love it, and work to craft a more polished script next time. I certainly wish the team luck, and would like to see Renegades be successful.
So anyway, Tuvok recruited the Renegades to carry out this mission no other crew could do. Which turned out to be a mission pretty much any crew could have done. Okay, there was an assassination involved, but since when was such a mission any sort of problem for Section 31?
I caught the suggestion that Section 31 might have been reformed, but if that's the case why then is Tuvok then recruiting people to carry out assassinations, if Section 31 is no longer *that* sort of agency? And if the implication is that they can't trust anyone else, then I have to ask, really? In the entire Starfleet/Starfleet Intelligence/Section 31 there is *no one* they can trust? That just doesn't work for me. In fact it flies in the face of everything we know about Tuvok and Chekov, and the Federation.
I guess it's just stuff like that that makes the whole thing not work for me. Regardless, I'll be watching the next one when it comes, so fingers crossed episode two is more to my taste.
So anyway, Tuvok recruited the Renegades to carry out this mission no other crew could do. Which turned out to be a mission pretty much any crew could have done. Okay, there was an assassination involved, but since when was such a mission any sort of problem for Section 31?
I caught the suggestion that Section 31 might have been reformed, but if that's the case why then is Tuvok then recruiting people to carry out assassinations, if Section 31 is no longer *that* sort of agency? And if the implication is that they can't trust anyone else, then I have to ask, really? In the entire Starfleet/Starfleet Intelligence/Section 31 there is *no one* they can trust? That just doesn't work for me. In fact it flies in the face of everything we know about Tuvok and Chekov, and the Federation.
I guess it's just stuff like that that makes the whole thing not work for me. Regardless, I'll be watching the next one when it comes, so fingers crossed episode two is more to my taste.
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That was one of my problems as well. That somehow a crew of murderous criminals is more trustworthy than the whole of the Federation.
I can accept that there might be a situation where it's necessary to recruit Lexxa's team. I just don't think this was it.
Why have her even be Khan's daughter? To use the name?
Would be more interesting if some people called her that because she was like Bashir and someone had done some genetic engineering on her and we got to learn something like that.
I finally got to see this. I thought it was pretty great.
Yeah, there was a boatload of things that weren't right with it. For that matter, I am still confused about the ending. Was it supposed to be a predestination paradox, because with the seemingly superfluous mention of “the Federation 3000 years ago” this seemed like a natural conclusion. It would have been a big irony for both parties that never got realised. Or maybe it did – you could hardly tell what these portals actually did, let alone where Syphon went. Similarly, a lot things were just there, for no apparent reason, and somehow the whole conspiracy doesn't seem to fit together. This was all concluded with the annoying “we'll explain it all in the next instalment” ending, except the general confusion doesn't amount to anything mysterious to explain. Get your shit together in the first story, damn it.
On the other hand, there was a lot of things going on that just made me happy. I was thoroughly entertained, and even with the confusion, I was grabbed by the story and setting. That's already more than many episodes of the official series did for me.
The crew selection is probably my favourite of all Star Trek. That was ruined a bit by the writing here and there – the terribly superficial handling of the Bajoran-Cardassian conflict was painful, for example. But overall, I want to see more of this renegade crew. Fixer who didn't know he's a hologram was probably the best thing in there. I loved how he didn't even realize he wasn't sacrificing himself, and the whole sequence with Dr. Lucien secretly leaving him on the planet behind was all sorts of brilliant. That alone made up for the bad parts. The script had gems like this, hidden in the big mess that it was. I want MOAR!!!!!!
The dark side of the Federation, amounting to more than one rogue admiral, together with Lexxa's backstory and the mention of Icheb's, was lovely. It's the first time I actually felt like there's an iceberg under the tip, instead of an isolated mess-up. Sad that it had to involve Section 31 – Regenages has already exhausted the times it's allowed to mention it. This is Star Trek, not Scandal – who actually know how to do absurd government non-agencies. But Lexxa is amazing and another favourite of mine right now. Be careful not to mess her up if more of these are done...
Seeing Earth actually undergoing destruction – even if that was more a visual effect fuck-up than intended – was something that hasn't happened since ENT: Twilight, and I totally trembled. It's sad that the dramatic effect stopped there, but... I trembled.
Good stuff. And also bad stuff. But good stuff first.
Yeah, there was a boatload of things that weren't right with it. For that matter, I am still confused about the ending. Was it supposed to be a predestination paradox, because with the seemingly superfluous mention of “the Federation 3000 years ago” this seemed like a natural conclusion. It would have been a big irony for both parties that never got realised. Or maybe it did – you could hardly tell what these portals actually did, let alone where Syphon went. Similarly, a lot things were just there, for no apparent reason, and somehow the whole conspiracy doesn't seem to fit together. This was all concluded with the annoying “we'll explain it all in the next instalment” ending, except the general confusion doesn't amount to anything mysterious to explain. Get your shit together in the first story, damn it.
On the other hand, there was a lot of things going on that just made me happy. I was thoroughly entertained, and even with the confusion, I was grabbed by the story and setting. That's already more than many episodes of the official series did for me.
The crew selection is probably my favourite of all Star Trek. That was ruined a bit by the writing here and there – the terribly superficial handling of the Bajoran-Cardassian conflict was painful, for example. But overall, I want to see more of this renegade crew. Fixer who didn't know he's a hologram was probably the best thing in there. I loved how he didn't even realize he wasn't sacrificing himself, and the whole sequence with Dr. Lucien secretly leaving him on the planet behind was all sorts of brilliant. That alone made up for the bad parts. The script had gems like this, hidden in the big mess that it was. I want MOAR!!!!!!
The dark side of the Federation, amounting to more than one rogue admiral, together with Lexxa's backstory and the mention of Icheb's, was lovely. It's the first time I actually felt like there's an iceberg under the tip, instead of an isolated mess-up. Sad that it had to involve Section 31 – Regenages has already exhausted the times it's allowed to mention it. This is Star Trek, not Scandal – who actually know how to do absurd government non-agencies. But Lexxa is amazing and another favourite of mine right now. Be careful not to mess her up if more of these are done...
Seeing Earth actually undergoing destruction – even if that was more a visual effect fuck-up than intended – was something that hasn't happened since ENT: Twilight, and I totally trembled. It's sad that the dramatic effect stopped there, but... I trembled.
Good stuff. And also bad stuff. But good stuff first.
I couldn't care less that they were criminals. The bigger crime in the film/pilot/episode is that they weren't compelling characters.
Surprising myself, I actually agree. I never saw it coming, but I really liked Furlong in this. Maybe due to the style of his character, but he never seemed to fall victim to bad line-readings or weird pauses like almost everyone else did.
On the whole, a series based on Renegades doesn't interest me. Star Trek is about exploring strange new worlds, and I don't think the premise of this proposed series really allows for that. For me, the movie felt like a Star Trek/Guardians of the Galaxy hybrid. I found Corin Nemec as Captain Alvarez of the USS Archer to be the most interesting character in the movie. The guy has charisma. A 5 year mission set onboard that USS Archer would be cool, and I think more Trek fans would be receptive to that.
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