Choose your own insignia?
That seems rather odd (even more so given that holo-Janeway is wearing the Voyager insignia).
Perhaps it's intended more as a history of Starfleet.
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Choose your own insignia?
That seems rather odd (even more so given that holo-Janeway is wearing the Voyager insignia).
Perhaps it's intended more as a history of Starfleet.
If you look close, Hologram Janeway uses the unique delta badge from this show, that the kids also use on the away mission in the last two episodes, not the Voyager era insignia. She was shown in the Voyager com badge in promotional art, but in the series itself it’s the new Prodigy design that’s bisected vertically by half of a command division star silhouette.
Since it’s just a computer simulation scraping all Starfleet logs to customize a simulated crew for training purposes, it doesn’t seem that far fetched to have future Admiral Janeway, who came back from 2404 and served aboard Voyager to defeat the Borg, or Daniels, the 31st century Starfleet temporal operative who served on the NX Enterprise under Archer, etc. It also seems that post Star Trek: Enterprise, the Temporal Accords mentioned in Discovery put a stop to any issues with time agents coming back to remove evidence or tamper with the timeline any further, which in my mind is why the Voyager finale was allowed to occur.
The concept and idea that all data on time travelers would be automatically classified just doesn’t bear out with all the many, many encounters that Trek has had with them across all the shows that seem to be public record. At best, it feels more like a bureaucratic matter with the Department of Temporal Investigations seen in DS9 writing down all incidences for review and cataloguing.
Is Trek moving towards something along the lines of Marvel's Time Variance Authority?
An army of bureaucrats guarding the "Sacred Timeline"?
We have the episode description for the next episode:
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Is Trek moving towards something along the lines of Marvel's Time Variance Authority?
An army of bureaucrats guarding the "Sacred Timeline"?
Trek has had something like that for a while...
The Department of Temporal Investigations!
IMO, this makes more sense in the context of the show.
After this week’s new episode seeming to confirm some for sure craziness in the show’s timeline, I’m thinking we might see a bit if what went on to get the Protostar from an apparent post-2378/post-Voyager’s return launch to the Delta in the middle of Tars Lamora pre-2366/pre-TNG S03 coming up in the episode two weeks from now, S01E08 Time Amok, because that title sounds like some time wackiness.
This show keeps hitting it out of the ballpark. It's the strongest series in the current Paramount+ Trek arsenal.
Another winning episode that reminds us why we're Trek fans.
Another winning episode that reminds us why we're Trek fans.
This was my least favorite episode so far. After an initial run that did a good job of building the new characters and their world, we now get a self-indulgent, pandering exercise in continuity porn that's aimed more at nostalgic old-schoolers than the new viewers the show is meant to bring in. Would young viewers unfamiliar with Trek be engaged by this story, or just confused by all the different characters that the episode treated as important, and all the different uniforms they were wearing? (They'd certainly have no idea why Dal was addressing Odo as "Jelly-man.")
I had a lot of issues with the simulation. The use of archive audio was clumsy, though I suppose I can buy that the holodeck would crib lines from past log recordings of ship missions (we know from "Court Martial" that such recordings exist). But some of the excerpted lines here were from private conversations that were unlikely to have been recorded.
I'm also tired of the way the modern shows assume that nobody in the entire history of the Federation ever did anything notable except for the characters we watched on TV. What was Odo even doing there? He wasn't in Starfleet!
Incidentally, why was there a big scary monster in the koon-ut-kal-if-fee arena? That's not how it works! And why would anyone choose a hellhole like Ceti Alpha V as a place to go skydiving?
Also, as a fan of Japanese TV/movies, I wince every time I hear how badly Trek actors tend to mispronounce "Kobayashi Maru." The computer voice actress mispronounced it the same exceptionally bad way that Nimoy did, as "Kobiashi Muhroo." At least most people say it more like "Kobuh-yashi," which is less wrong. (It's really more like "Koh-BAH-ya-shee," or almost "Koh-BYE-shee" when pronounced quickly, and the "sh" is very sibilant, almost "see." And it's "MAH-ru," not "Muh-ROO." Americans always overpronounce the "U" sounds that are extremely understressed in Japanese.)
As for the other plot, it's pretty obvious now that the Protostar is a time ship, which explains the inconsistencies with the timing, at least where the Starfleet stuff is concerned. That disappoints me, because if it really is 2383, that makes it a lot harder to explain Kazon being in the same part of the quadrant as the Window of Dreams (at opposite ends of VGR's 40,000-ly journey). But I suppose it explains why the Diviner is so desperate to find it -- he probably wants to change history to undo his people's extinction.
Oh, I can just imagine DTI Agent Lucsly's conniption fit on hearing that Starfleet was building a timeship commanded by Voyager's former first officer and with a Janeway hologram onboard.
I had a lot of issues with the simulation. The use of archive audio was clumsy, though I suppose I can buy that the holodeck would crib lines from past log recordings of ship missions (we know from "Court Martial" that such recordings exist). But some of the excerpted lines here were from private conversations that were unlikely to have been recorded.
I'm also tired of the way the modern shows assume that nobody in the entire history of the Federation ever did anything notable except for the characters we watched on TV. What was Odo even doing there? He wasn't in Starfleet!
Incidentally, why was there a big scary monster in the koon-ut-kal-if-fee arena? That's not how it works! And why would anyone choose a hellhole like Ceti Alpha V as a place to go skydiving?
Also, as a fan of Japanese TV/movies, I wince every time I hear how badly Trek actors tend to mispronounce "Kobayashi Maru." The computer voice actress mispronounced it the same exceptionally bad way that Nimoy did, as "Kobiashi Muhroo." At least most people say it more like "Kobuh-yashi," which is less wrong. (It's really more like "Koh-BAH-ya-shee," or almost "Koh-BYE-shee" when pronounced quickly, and the "sh" is very sibilant, almost "see." And it's "MAH-ru," not "Muh-ROO." Americans always overpronounce the "U" sounds that are extremely understressed in Japanese.)
As for the other plot, it's pretty obvious now that the Protostar is a time ship, which explains the inconsistencies with the timing, at least where the Starfleet stuff is concerned. That disappoints me, because if it really is 2383, that makes it a lot harder to explain Kazon being in the same part of the quadrant as the Window of Dreams (at opposite ends of VGR's 40,000-ly journey). But I suppose it explains why the Diviner is so desperate to find it -- he probably wants to change history to undo his people's extinction.
Oh, I can just imagine DTI Agent Lucsly's conniption fit on hearing that Starfleet was building a timeship commanded by Voyager's former first officer and with a Janeway hologram onboard.
The idea of this show is to introduce it to new young viewers.
What more perfect way to do so is there to show how rich Star Trek History is, than to create an episode that combines multiple features and characters from its past.
It gives opportunity for those interested enough, to go back and see for themselves by watching previous Trek series.
Me thinks that for an animated show aimed mostly at youngsters, you are being just a bit more than anally picky.
What more perfect way to do so is there to show how rich Star Trek History is, than to create an episode that combines multiple features and characters from its past.
It gives opportunity for those interested enough, to go back and see for themselves by watching previous Trek series.
Me thinks that for an animated show aimed mostly at youngsters, you are being just a bit more than anally picky.
It just feels like too much of an infodump all at once, and I think that would be more forbidding and confusing to a newcomer than inviting. A soft sell works better than shoving the product in people's faces.
And this didn't feel to me like an attempt to invite new viewers into the larger universe. It felt like a bunch of fans pandering to fellow fans by going "Hey, recognize this character/this concept/this line of dialogue?" And that's exactly the sort of fannish insularity that makes newcomers feel they aren't welcome in the private club because they don't know the secret handshake.
Besides, I just don't feel it worked well as a Prodigy episode, which should be more important in a Prodigy episode than advertising the rest of the franchise. A story about Dal learning to listen to his crew should be about Dal and his crew, not a bunch of holographic strangers.
Well according to the writer of the TrekCore review, their kids loved it.
The recording of Chakotay mentioned something about an anomaly, I don't think the Protostar is a time ship, it just got sent back in time.
We do have dedicated episode review threads posted by Commander Richard each week
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-prodigy-1x06-kobayashi.310166/
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I believe that you are very much underestimating the intelligence and curiosity of todays youth.
No, I just think that franchise fiction today has gotten too self-referential, too dominated by fans-turned-creators wallowing in nostalgia for old stories, rather than just focusing on creating new stories that future generations will love for their own merits. Star Trek should be a franchise that looks forward and blazes new trails. It's become too much about leafing through old photo albums instead.
Says the guy who writes stories completely based on past Trek episodes.
"Completely" is untrue. I expand on the continuity and introduce new ideas. Most of my works are set in between the series, in unexplored gaps in the continuity. I wouldn't find it interesting otherwise.
Whatever happened to "the post, not the poster?" We're here to evaluate the episodes, not judge one another.
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