'Star Trek: Picard' in the top 10 of original streaming programs

[fireproof78]

However, if you want more of something you do like, that does depend on ratings or their streaming equivalent.

As a general rule yes I want more of something that I like. My one viewership point will do little to change that.

So, again, dick all to do with my choices as a viewer. Something could have a negative score and I might watch it and like it. Something could have a huge viewership base and I could just ignore it, and usually do.

 

[Weyoun 251]

People don't actually like NuTrek and Kurtzman work. Let me show you:

Let's see what people think of garbage S T D season 4:

Let's see what people think of masterpiece good old TNG season 8 that is Picard season 3:

People who vote/rate the shows don't - and I'll concede based on those numbers that the legacy/hardcore fans have a clear preference overall.

Obviously statistics can generalise and don't explicitly account for a Fireproof for example but they are just there to paint a picture.

The vast majority of TV viewers do not rate the shows they watch and so we can't state it unequivocally but neither can we disprove it.

More importantly though - is it not better to just respect that people differ in their opinion on these things as opposed to trying "win" at Star Trek?

I will caveat though that sadly TV is a zero sum game due to the lack of infinite money and so I do have an understanding and empathy for people who effectively "miss out" on their preferred Trek at the expense of another or who worry that a series not performing may hinder other productions but sadly that is life and we can't win them all

 

[Gepard]

And I loved early on and the mystery surrounding it. I loved the dynamic relationship of Picard and Crusher. Like, that was really well done.

I think I'm enjoying the season overall more than you are, but it's definitely true that the character conflict and interpersonal drama was stronger and more engaging in the first half of the season. It may just be a downside of serialized mystery box TV: the further on it goes, the more it must become about the machinations of its own plotting, to the detriment of the character work. I know I'd rather have more moments like the flashback to Picard unknowingly pushing Jack away, as opposed to exposition about genetic modifications and transmitter proteins, but I'm not in control of the show.

 

[Uhura's Song]

People don't actually like NuTrek and Kurtzman work. Let me show you:

Let's see what people think of garbage S T D season 4:

Let's see what people think of masterpiece good old TNG season 8 that is Picard season 3:

Certain types downrate progressive shows or shows with strong female/minority leads. The do it to DISCO. They did it to PIC S2. They did it to new Star Wars.

Now, DISCO & PIC S2 & new Star Wars have issues. That type of thing does not account for all of the lower ratings. Nor is all criticism done with bad motives, by all means. I don't mean to suggest that at all. But it is SOME of it.

Anyway, I watch them all. I think SNW, LD, and Prodigy are generally the most well done. But have enjoyed DISCO & PIC as well. But both verge on plot silliness in service of emotional manipulation at times.

To rate them, best to worst:
DISCO: 1, 4, 2, 3.
-------FAV: Start of S2. Worst: end of S2.

PIC: 3, 1, 2.
---------FAV: First 2/3rds of S1, S3.

YMMV.

TNG was/is the most popular Trek. And my favorite of the TV shows. That Crew going out on Nemesis sucked. PIC had 2 seasons that were not TNG-centric. But having 3 seasons of PIC and not resolving what happened with Beverly, Worf, Geordi, and Ro (and Riker/Troi in passing) would have been a disservice to what went before, and the character of Picard.

YMMV, of course, but I am liking S3 a lot. And it is not in any way a commentary about DISCO. FFS, Trek doing well likely means MORE Trek shows. That is a good thing.

I hope DISCO S5 knocks it out of the park. Though, given the circumstances, it is gonna be harder.

 

[donners22]

This is not a child game "my father is stronger than your father" or "S T D vs. PIC season 3". It's not that.

I just gave you a fact what is garbage and what is masterpiece. Rank marks on IMDB talks for themself.

Then perhaps you should not express it in childish terms like "Let's see what people think of garbage S T D season 4:" and "Let's see what people think of masterpiece good old TNG season 8 that is Picard season 3:"

You should also have a think about whether votes of <5,000 "people" (and whether they are all indeed people rather than bots is debatable) could remotely be regarded as reflective of the views of an audience of millions.

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

Trek fans are so divisive that even news of success somehow angers people.

Thank you. The entire point of programming is to make shows that a large number of people want to watch. If the show isn't drawing enough viewers, it either gets changed or canceled. Picard season one was so boring I stopped watching half way through. It was that bad. At least with TNG's episodic format I could look forward to something different the next week if I didnt like an episode. Picard's serialized format means you are stuck in with the same storyline for an entire season, for better or worse.

And for the life of me, I will never understand people who complain about fanservice. It's a good idea to throw something in for the most loyal fans because without them there is no franchise. How many times did we see fan service in TNG? Oh that's right, it started with the very first episode with Dr. McCoy, and then the second episode which was a rehash of an old TOS episode. Then we got Sarak, Spock and even Scotty standing in the middle of the original Enterprise Bridge on a holodeck. DS9 had Picard as an integral part of its first episode and who can forget the crew being inserted into the Trouble with Tribbles episode? Even Voyager had Quark in its first episode and an episode with Tuvok on Captain Sulu's bridge. Those moments are well remembered and helped drive viewers. Many of whom stuck around afterwards. So what some of you dismiss as fan service I call smart business.

The modern divide started with STD and the harm it did to the franchise.

 

[fireproof78]

The modern divide started with STD and the harm it did to the franchise.

Hardly.

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

I feel if they were truly proud of the number STD did, they would have released them to the public. They only chose to do so with Picard s3, instead of Discovery. I think the numbers were decent to get number 1 for DSC, but too low to release as they would be embarrassed. With Picard Season 3, they released them.

 

[fireproof78]

I feel if they were truly proud of the number STD did, they would have released them to the public. They only chose to do so with Picard s3, instead of Discovery. I think the numbers were decent to get number 1 for DSC, but too low to release as they would be embarrassed. With Picard Season 3, they released them.

Who cares? Ratings are only important to one group of people-the decision makers.

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

Who cares? Ratings are only important to one group of people-the decision makers.

Which is important to me, as I want more legacy Trek built on the rich history of the franchise and far less of the crying style star trek with DSC.

 

[fireproof78]

Which is important to me, as I want more legacy Trek built on the rich history of the franchise and far less of the crying style star trek with DSC.

Good luck.

Star Trek is fine as it is. Variety not static.

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

Good luck.

Star Trek is fine as it is. Variety not static.

The variety is about to go away and I want to be sure the DSC experiment stays a failed venture. I am wary of the Academy show as it stars no one really famous. That could be good but Tilly is a liability.

 

[fireproof78]

The variety is about to go away and I want to be sure the DSC experiment stays a failed venture. I am wary of the Academy show as it stars no one really famous. That could be good but Tilly is a liability.

IDIC at its finest...

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

IDIC at its finest...

The bottomline is if DSC was as popular as claimed, the Yeoh s31 movie would have come out in theaters, not just a one off on P+ where most people won't see it. I'm shocked they are basically going straight to home video with a woman who just won such a valued award.

 

[fireproof78]

The bottomline is if DSC was as popular as claimed, the Yeoh s31 movie would have come out in theaters, not just a one off on P+ where most people won't see it. I'm shocked they are basically going straight to home video with a woman who just won such a valued award.

Why do I care about popularity again?

I want variety in Trek. DSC gave me that in spades. PIC gave me rewarmed comfort food and people insist its Steak.

 

[Ronin'sCreamyCandle]

Why do I care about popularity again?

I want variety in Trek. DSC gave me that in spades. PIC gave me rewarmed comfort food and people insist its Steak.

So you don't care about ratings, or a shows popularity. Good to know for debating you.

 

[fireproof78]

So you don't care about ratings, or a shows popularity. Good to know for debating you.

That's never been a secret.

Ratings mean two things: jack and shit. I watch what I like not popular media. Popularity is mob rule disguised as a good thing.

 

[KennyB]

The modern divide started with STD and the harm it did to the franchise.

Can you just stop now or go to the DSC FORUM to debate it’s merits? K thx.

 

[ananta]

The bottomline is if DSC was as popular as claimed, the Yeoh s31 movie would have come out in theaters, not just a one off on P+ where most people won't see it. I'm shocked they are basically going straight to home video with a woman who just won such a valued award.

That’s quite an assumption. P+ is where it’s currently at. The theatrical movies are dead in the water right now and the team involved with those was/is a completely different one to the TV side of things. But, no, of course, the DSC haters have to try to explain away the fact we’re getting yet another DSC spinoff (woo hoo!).

As for ratings, DSC had apparently boasted the highest numbers of the new Trek shows, at least in its earlier seasons and before the exclusive jump to P+. regardless, whether certain fans like it or not, that show was responsible for a golden age of Trek content and nothing its critics say can ever change the fact.

 

[Danja]

This is not a child game "my father is stronger than your father" or "S T D vs. PIC season 3". It's not that.

I just gave you a fact what is garbage and what is masterpiece. Rank marks on IMDB talks for themself.

Ever hear the term "review bomb"?

It's an organized effort by a group of "fans" (or a few people with multiple accounts) who post negative reviews with the intention of demeaning the final product.

"Fan" reviews on IMDB (and Rotten Tomatoes) are to be taken with a front end loader full of salt.