I like Disco, but also agree with many criticisms against it. It's just a matter of taste as to what gets you annoyed/gets you to tune out I guess. Most of its issues aren't dealbreakers for me (although some have come close at times) but obviously are for other people.
'Star Trek: Picard' in the top 10 of original streaming programs
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It's good business and annoys me. I don't like being pandered to and trading on my fan status for the feels.
That's me. Some is ok. All the time like this season? No, thank you.
What you keep calling "mac and cheese" is the steak of the plot. This entire season is about this crew rediscovering each other and the themes are based on it. That was what they told us this season would be about going into it. The fact some people want to put their own expectations on this is on them. But it's not like they weren't told that was what this season was.
That position is like being invited into a bar, complaining that the only reason people are there and happy is because of the booze, and being upset that they don't have a salad on the menu for you to eat.
It's just like politics. It's ridiculous.
Shit. He's using a certain someone else's expression. "Who?" Never mind.
Anyway...
The first dead give-away was that the entire TNG Cast was coming back this season.
If you're trying to pull an "It's either this or it's that" routine or "you're either with us or you're with them", it's not going to work. I'm a fan of both.People don't actually like NuTrek and Kurtzman work. Let me show you:
Let's see what people think of garbage S T D season 4:
Let's see what people think of masterpiece good old TNG season 8 that is Picard season 3:
True enough. And the season has the potential to be very well done depending on the wrap up. And I loved early on and the mystery surrounding it. I loved the dynamic relationship of Picard and Crusher. Like, that was really well done.
And now it feels like I'm being told by the episode that the only reason to like that stuff was because it set up the "Crew of the Enterprise" moment. And that just leaves me cold. And now it's doubly cold shoulder because people go "Well, what did you expect?" Well, I expected to enjoy the season that I had started out enjoying.
This is not a child game "my father is stronger than your father" or "S T D vs. PIC season 3". It's not that.
I just gave you a fact what is garbage and what is masterpiece. Rank marks on IMDB talks for themself.
Ranks on IMBD do not indicate "garbage" or "masterpiece." Subjective. It only indicates what is popular. Also subjective.
Tell me why you don't like something. Numbers mean nothing save for subjective enjoyment. I don't change my opinion on subjective enjoyment of others.
Tell me why you don't like something. Numbers mean nothing save for subjective enjoyment. I don't change my opinion on subjective enjoyment of others.
A little bit, it is. I've been online and posting on bulletin boards like these since 1996. I can spot this stuff a mile away.
A series that's divisive gets a rating that's split down the middle? I'm "shocked". If you go to the Amazon website, the ratings are evenly split between 1s/2s and 4s/5s. Disco is a polarizing series. I've known that for years.
A season, like PIC Season 3, that most people like, and where the few people who hate it don't understand why more people don't, gets a high rating? I figured that would be the case. Also not a huge surprise.
A masterpiece. Are you prepared to put Picard Season 3 on the level of The Sopranos or Breaking Bad? To keep it in genre, are you prepared to say this is on the same level as Interstellar?
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Why do the numbers matter? For Star Trek Legacy and getting Terry Matalas and team involved in future Star Trek projects.
Why is this divisive? Because earlier NuTrek efforts were divisive. The Abramsverse was a full on reboot. If JJ Abrams had had his way, all classic Star Trek merchandise would have been withdrawn from the market and the only new Star Trek produced afterwards would have followed his projects. DISCOVERY at the very least was a "soft" reboot. SNW seeks to be a less "narrow" show than DISCOVERY, but is still a re-reboot.
PICARD season 1 was at the very least off kilter. It subverted expectations, and was as much linked with the Abramsverse as with the TNG era. It's only with PICARD season 3 that we're getting many TNG-era characters back together in a story that feels like an organic continuation of what came before in the Berman-era.
If Alex Kurtzman's strategy is to fragment the market with shows focused on different audience silos, uhh ok? The shows seem a little too pricey to do that, but it is what it is. Then have both live action continuations and reboots. Some uber pro-reboot people seemed a little gleeful that SFA was greenlit without any word on Legacy moving forward.
So why not both?
This is about to hit the Stargate franchise as well. When Stargate was owned by MGM, SG-1 / Atlantis / Universe co-creator Brad Wright was working on the pilot script for a new series. Then Amazon bought it, and now seems to be moving more in a reboot direction. Yay.
Only to maximize profit. Seems logical to me.
But they don't to us as fans. We have no control, no input on the next direction. It's a business decision.
I would welcome both. I think the approach of multiple approaches to appeal to multiple fans is a smart one.
Uh, Picard is "nuTrek and Kurtzman work".
If people really wanted regime change, they shouldn't be watching Season 3 and voting it so highly. Kurtzman is the big boss, he hired Matalas and approved everything done this season, so to the Paramount brass, Kurtzman is doing great work.
I disagree. Terry Matalas and other production people have said that one metric for evaluating future projects is social media engagement. More activity, better metrics. Then you have a lot of people in YouTube live chats that say they weren't going to watch season 3, but then give it a try based on the positive earned media.
So fans do have agency. Re-watch episodes you liked. Boycott/don't hate watch or post about series you don't like.
Which has dick all to do with numbers or their business decisions. I watch what I like because...*spoiler alert* I like it.
End of story.
I don't say this easily, but the Nostalgia Factor is real. People like Picard Season 3 (including myself) because, at least to some extent, it makes them back to TNG. People like SNW (including myself to a lesser degree) because, at least to some extent, it makes them think of TOS.
As far as Alex Kurtzman, he's the new Rick Berman. It's not him, it's the Showrunners underneath him who make the difference. Let me put it in Star Trek terms: Terry Matalas is the Captain of PIC. Akiva Goldsman is the Captain of SNW. Michelle Paradise is the Captain of DSC. Mike McMahon is the Captain of LD. I don't know who the Showrunner for PRO is, but you get the idea. Alex Kurtzman is the Admiral. He oversees and rubber-stamps all of it. If someone wants Terry Matalas kicked upstairs to where he's overseeing everything, that means he becomes less hands-on involved.
So by putting Terry Matalas at the top, you lose a show where Terry Matalas is in the trenches. To people who want him to be the "Admiral", that's what you think you want, but you actually don't. He's better off as the "Captain" of his own series.
As far as Alex Kurtzman, he's the new Rick Berman. It's not him, it's the Showrunners underneath him who make the difference. Let me put it in Star Trek terms: Terry Matalas is the Captain of PIC. Akiva Goldsman is the Captain of SNW. Michelle Paradise is the Captain of DSC. Mike McMahon is the Captain of LD. I don't know who the Showrunner for PRO is, but you get the idea. Alex Kurtzman is the Admiral. He oversees and rubber-stamps all of it. If someone wants Terry Matalas kicked upstairs to where he's overseeing everything, that means he becomes less hands-on involved.
So by putting Terry Matalas at the top, you lose a show where Terry Matalas is in the trenches. To people who want him to be the "Admiral", that's what you think you want, but you actually don't. He's better off as the "Captain" of his own series.
"Don't let them promote you."
~some guy from a show somewhere. I think he rode horses.
~some guy from a show somewhere. I think he rode horses.
user ratings aren't fact, mostly because people can bot them.
However, if you want more of something you do like, that does depend on ratings or their streaming equivalent.
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