to the greater television and media consuming community, Star Trek overall is fairly insignificant. Star Trek fans seem to think it has a much outsized role than it actually has.
'Star Trek: Picard' in the top 10 of original streaming programs
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Star Trek has always had a niche audience. Terry has found his niche though this season and hopefully he can expand this niche in to an acidovorax.
Yeah, it's a little funny to declare this as some kinda victory over other seasons and series when they weren't even being counted. But, of course, I've already seen online, certain members of the fandom using this as some kinda "spike the ball" moment over the other series. It has become a "Terry rules, fuck Kurtzman" talking point.
Sigh....
I've given every Trek show a chance (some of them more than one), and unless I heard something that was a powerful turn off, I doubt that this would be any different. But I wouldn't be jumping aboard for the showrunner alone.
A what?
Why would he want to expand to include bacteria?
I can only assume that Timofnine just got their post victimized by auto-correct.
The Enterprise will need to wait until SNW is done and SNW is pretty good so I hope that goes to S5.
I am not sure anything Matalas could do next would be able to recapture this season's success. While this doesn't have Janeway, Seven was a big part of Voyager and she got a lot to do in Picard. TNG was more popular than VOY and DS9, while my favorite of the era, wasn't as successful as the other shows. Picard S3 is something unique, it's a full blown nostalgia driven sendoff for TNG decades after the fact. Usually that doesn't happen, but it really can only happen once. There is a small chance he could do something with VOY, but what cards are left to play? How would you bring the VOY crew together and not have it feel too much like Picard?
Don't get me wrong, I would love another season of Trek from him. I would prefer it over the Academy show. I just don't see how it could create as much buzz to more casual fans like this season has. Paramount wants Trek shows that grow their subs. They can do this by keeping people watching while there is no new Yellowstone on, or by bringing in enough Trek fans new and old to justify it. Obviously Academy is trying to bring in new fans and we know most old fans will at least tune in for the premiere. What would a Matalas show without the TNG crew do for the userbase?
On Prime Picard is almost 2x Rings of power, a show that aired its last episode of the season six months ago.
Trek has been so reactionary since it's return, I can only see this as catastrophic. Trek is too fanwanky for it's own good at the best of times. Now the most ridiculous, contrived Trek tale ever told is the most popular one. It's nothing but nostalgia and ship porn from now on, people.
Bye bye, progressive Trek.
Bye bye, progressive Trek.
I would wait for ratings for Strange New Worlds, Discovery, and Starfleet Academy before jumping to that conclusion.
At the moment, I'm just glad that we have some concrete data now instead of spin and conspiracy theories by people who are upset that Rick Berman isn't still in charge of things.
How is season 3 of Picard reactionary?
From the outset, they've made it clear FOR THE BETTER PART OF A YEAR that this was meant to be a reunion of the TNG cast. Beyond that, from the outset this was an entire series is built upon nostalgia for a character and for that character's era of Star Trek. That is the baseline upon which everything else is built upon. And where the first 2 seasons failed was in a significant chunk of the audience felt the characters (Picard and Data) they watched for all those years didn't feel like natural progressions of the ones in this show, while the series was crap at making the stories surrounding those characters it was trying to tell compelling.
People are entitled to like it or dislike season 3, but I don't understand the complaining that this season is structured around both nostalgia for a past time, and how these classic characters interact with each other once again when that's what they told you it was going to be entering into this season.
I just find the criticism that this is "excessive nostalgia" to be absolute horseshit.
Moreover, I don't need the show to stop in its tracks to give me an LGBTQ+ romance subplot just to prove its progressive cred and check off a box. There's a word for that: tokenism.
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Really good news and a big fuck you to the haters and gate keepers.
It wouldn't stop the show in the tracks no more than a straight romance would.
Other than a small amount of time where Riker and Troi work through their marital issues (probably 10 minuties in total screentime), and a similar amount of time devoted to Beverly and Picard having to come to terms with what a son between them means, neither of which I would necessarily call romantic subplots, what straight romance has been featured this season?
And you've just lost whatever well thought out arguments you might have had.
Congratulations! You've just torpedoed whatever reputation you might have had around here!
Prior to season one, Picard was explicitly not to be a TNG reunion show. Fans whinge and cry online and we get a total mess in season two and then a preposterous reunion show in season three.
Previously, on Star Trek:
"Discovery season one is too dark! The timeline is wrong looks too advanced wahhhhhh"
Discovery is as quip-loaded as Marvel in season 2 and they're launched into the far future to appease silly fans who get legitimately upset over continuity in a TV show.
Even further back, Star Trek Beyond was what happened when they asked Simon Pegg to make Star Trek more like Guardians of the Galaxy.
They used to say that about nonwhites.
Thanks. Likewise I know you've just shown who has something serious to offer in the way of opinion and who is just a lightweight. I always know when someone has no real response, since they fall back into just feigning outrage and present no argument.
But I'll add this, in my opinion, a production that feels the need to do tokenism as a form of progressivism that presents a minority community to say they've done something is just as offensive, as well as being narratively stupid, as a bigotry that excludes representation of diverse communities. Calling season 3 of Picard ""reactionary" because it's not "progressive" enough because of such things is both stupid and bereft of any coherent rational argument.
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