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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

I cannot see how season 3 is going to disappoint from what I have read of it so far. Unless the last 4 episodes are clunkers? No one has seen these episodes yet as far as I know.

I mean, I'm inherently disappointed by the premise of S3, because Soji isn't a part of the story. To me, S1 was at its core about Jean-Luc and Soji building an ersatz grandfather/granddaughter relationship, and the climax of that season was the scene where they accepted one-another as family ("That's why we're here -- to save each other"). That scene represented a promissory note that their relationship would be foundational to the rest of the series, and then it was just tossed out the window.

In addition, I'm disappointed that PIC S3 is basically TNG S8, because it means the TNG characters have just come in and taken over a show that had its own ensemble. I would have greatly preferred the TNG characters being integrated into the existing ensemble; instead, S2 essentially cleared the deck by ditching Soji, Elnor, Jurati, and Rios. How fun would it have been to see Geordi and Soji building an uncle/niece relationship? To see Soji and Elnor bonding? To find out how Rios and Riker relate? To see Jurati bonding with Beverly or Geordi? Elnor bonding with Worf? Troi finally getting Raffi to deal with her shit?

Anyway, S3 has very different creative goals for itself than those that S1 promised. I'm disappointed in that. But, I'm intrigued to see how it executes the creative goals that it has set for itself. A premise can be very well-executed and enjoyable even if you disagree with it.
 
A really positive one from AV Club that gives away some slight spoilers. The big one is that episode 5 (the one people on twitter were raving about involving Jonathan Frakes) is called
Imposter
.

https://www.avclub.com/star-trek-picard-season-3-tv-review-paramount-plus-1850095207

Jeez that is a bit of a spoiler, but then ties in with the tweet that apparently said that
Tom Riker was in it. But we also know that there's at least one changeling in the season, so it could be that if the Tom thing isn't true.
 
The Escapist had a similarly scathing review. Haven't seen the show, so I can't say for certain, but all the comments about fan-service are pretty much highlighting the worries I had as soon as details of this season started coming out. Hoping for the best as always, though.

Oof, that headline though.

The Third Season of Picard is Star Trek's Rise of Skywalker

Sounds like they had a miserable six hours. I realize this is a sequel to TNG. I know why I'm getting into.
 
Another positive review but definitely makes it sound like we don't see Troi or maybe Geordi in the first six episodes. They mention some of the crew hasn't appeared yet in the first six they've seen while also mentioning what Riker, Picard, Worf, Seven, and Crusher are up to. Definitely implies Troi and Geordi aren't another yet in the episodes people have seen, especially since they're not getting any mentions in any of the other reviews floating around.

https://www.cnet.com/culture/entert...ction-is-more-than-a-next-generation-reunion/
 
Only one scene for Laris in the first six episodes? Well that's really weird after season 2's impetus was for Picard was Laris

Ah well, I am excited, these reviews are mostly good, although curious what some of the bigger critics like Sepinwall make of it.
 
A cool spoiler free review from Trekmovie:

https://twitter.com/trekmovie/status/1623957144365318144?s=46&t=feECt0aT5D7V2asqLlGlLA

I cannot see how season 3 is going to disappoint from what I have read of it so far. Unless the last 4 episodes are clunkers? No one has seen these episodes yet as far as I know.
This review is from Mark A. Altman from Inglorious Treksperts, who historically has been just slightly more diplomatic about hating NuTrek than Robert Meyer Burnett. Both RMB and the Popcast guys have seen all ten episodes. They say it continues in a positive direction, and you can really see the budget getting full use in the last two episodes, which are essentially their own movie within a movie directed by Terry.

First scathing review I've seen from someone who has seen the first 6 episodes. Though there's a few random digs at Kurtzman for the writing, when we know he doesn't have a single writing credit for the season, so...

https://www.engadget.com/star-trek-picard-season-three-paramount-plus-preview-review-080010650.html
This seems the most high profile negative one thus far. He also wrote reviews last year for STRANGE NEW WORLDS and LOWER DECKS if anyone wants to see how he's approaches the franchise.
 
Only one scene for Laris in the first six episodes? Well that's really weird after season 2's impetus was for Picard was Laris

IIRC, RMB has said that Laris is only in the first episode and in one scene and does not appear again in the entire season. Terry Matalas has said he regrets not spending more time with Laris, and when someone asked him on Twitter if we’d see JLP and Laris together in season 3 he replied with “Yes. But…”

So no, Laris does not appear to have any plot significance whatsoever.
 
"In hindsight, the first two seasons of Star Trek: Picard pale compared to this final run of episodes. Both offer solid developments for Patrick Stewart’s iconic character and show how much there was still left to tell about the crew of the Enterprise-D. This final season combines all of the series from The Next Generation era for a blockbuster season that feels like the Star Trek equivalent of Avengers: Infinity War. I have never been as happy as a Star Trek fan after seeing the first six episodes of this season, and I am both drooling with anticipation to finish this season and dreading saying goodbye to these characters for the last time. Star Trek: Picard delivers one of the best final seasons of television storytelling and my favorite Star Trek season ever. This is fan service at its finest and all-around great science fiction."
https://www.joblo.com/star-trek-picard-season-3-tv-review/

"This is a thrilling, heartfelt character piece that also happens to have some of the most exciting action set-pieces of any “Trek” series since the franchise bowed anew with “Discovery” in 2017. One moment of starship action involving Jonathan Frakes’ Capt. Riker, and directed by MVP helmer Frakes himself, in Episode 4 is the most excitingly cinematic space combat on the small screen since “Battlestar Galactica” went off the air 13 years ago."...
"Showrunner Terry Matalas seems to have done the impossible: he’s taken the best aspects of those movies — the action, especially — and really succeeded in creating, in his own words, a “Next Generation” movie told in 10 episodes. He may even have undersold his achievement. “Picard” Season 3 is not a story that could be told in just a feature running-time. Every one of the first six episodes screened for critics feels essential, and likely can be enjoyed both in a binge and week-to-week. I binged it… and now intend to watch it week to week as well."
https://www.indiewire.com/2023/02/star-trek-picard-season-3-next-gen-reunion-1234808512/

"Picard Season 3 introduces a massive new threat to Starfleet, but, crucially, this threat is not a generic, galaxy-ending doomsday explosion. The threat is a natural outgrowth of things that happened in the TNG/DS9/Voyager era. In other words, there are consequences for some of the things that Starfleet has done over the years. Starfleet has made mistakes, and a few of those mistakes have come back to haunt this venerable space navy."
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-picard-season-3-review-paramount-plus

"Season 3 moves along a lot more nimbly than the previous two as well, with plainspoken storytelling that doesn’t get lost in overly complicated twists. The season does follow a serialized story, but it still finds time for quiet character moments along the way. This is the rare revival that goes beyond just coasting off what we loved years ago; it actually deepens and enriches the characters and relationships we know so well. It’s kind of what Star Trek: Picard should’ve been from the very beginning — but hey, better late than never."
https://tvline.com/2023/02/10/star-trek-picard-review-season-3-next-generation-reunion/

"The premiere is riddled with clever clues that lay the groundwork for the twists and turns that unravel throughout the first half of the season, which makes each episode very rewatchable as new information is uncovered."...
"Season 3 thrives because it is innately aware that time has passed, mistakes have been made, and now the beloved crew of the Enterprise has been left to pick up the pieces and fight—together—to ensure that they leave a legacy behind in their wake. As fun as Star Trek: Picard Season 1 and Season 2 were, Season 3 is an exceptional return to the world of The Next Generation, and a fitting send-off for a corner of the franchise that has held an important place in the hearts of audiences for well over 35 years. Rating: A"
https://collider.com/star-trek-picard-season-3-review/
 
IIRC, RMB has said that Laris is only in the first episode and in one scene and does not appear again in the entire season. Terry Matalas has said he regrets not spending more time with Laris, and when someone asked him on Twitter if we’d see JLP and Laris together in season 3 he replied with “Yes. But…”

So no, Laris does not appear to have any plot significance whatsoever.
This spoiler-lite review from The Daily Beast has more details about Laris, Raffi (and her status with Seven), and Shaw.

Laris
"Picking up following the events of the second season, a newly-retired Picard is living in his countryside family home in France, having finally found contentment in his romantic relationship with his Romulan former housekeeper Laris (Orla Brady). He is packing up his belongings and the many recognizable items from his many adventures (including the Ressikan flute), as he prepares to be Laris’ plus one on her diplomatic career on the Romulan planet Chaltok IV.


Laris double checks if Picard is ready to leave behind the place he called home and life away from Starfleet. In a very foretelling scene, she says, “A point comes in a man’s life when he looks to the past to define himself. Not just his future.” He responds, reassuringly, “I hope that’s not going to be me. I’m not a man who needs a legacy. I want a new adventure.”"

Raffi
"Like the previous seasons, Matalas and his team of writers excel at bringing depth and well thought-out development to the heroes of Trek. Although Seven and Raffi (Michelle Hurd) were given a happy ending at the end of last season, Season 3 finds them estranged with Raffi now working in Starfleet special op missions. The break up seems to have been detrimental to Raffi’s psyche as she puts all her energy and attention into her work. Raffi, a former addict, becomes obsessed with solving a deadly conspiracy and begins to descend into paranoia, walking a fine line on her sobriety. The series doesn’t forget the struggles that former addicts deal with on a daily basis, and it shouldn’t. Addiction is real and, in Raffi’s case, a demon she must grapple with to move forward."

Shaw
"Stashwick is notably charismatic as the antagonistic authoritarian who doesn’t take bullshit from anyone, including the beloved Picard, especially as we continue to learn the reasoning for his brash tactics. Though he serves as an obstacle for Picard, Stashwick imbues Shaw with much-needed empathy and humor. In fact, the entire USS Titan main crew have such palpable chemistry, it’s almost as if the writers are paving the way for a possible spin-off for this new generation of officers. I, for one, would be thrilled with this."

"Picard may have been a great man, but he is still just a man, flaws and all. In its final season, the series beautifully captures his thematic journey while also sprinkling in some welcome, but not oppressive, fan service. Star Trek: Picard’s is triumphant in giving this iconic Star Trek hero a fitting conclusion to his decades-long story—while also potentially setting up a legacy for the next generation."
 
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A negative review from The Digital Fix:
"While mentioning the surface-level positives, it’s only fair to mention the surface-level negatives, too. Star Trek: Picard’s action is laughable. There are some very early sequences of phaser rifle combat aboard a starship which just look awful. The blocking, lighting, and actual mechanics of the combat are amateurish. Especially when action sequences in Star Trek have been improving, to go ahead and provide something that is such a step back is a big shame."...
"But you don’t watch Star Trek for thrilling action. Much more detrimental to Star Trek: Picard season 3 is the fact that it’s entirely unoriginal. Everything in Picard season 3 is something that, if you’ve watched Star Trek, you will have seen before. Yes, the plot makes sense, but that’s no surprise given that it’s a wholesale amalgamation of various well-known Star Trek episodes and movies, even rehashing an entire plot point from the first season, just in a new form."...
"But, by far the most egregious flaw of Star Trek: Picard season 3 is the way in which it treats and reframes its characters. First, if you’re watching Star Trek: Picard season 3 for an all-out TNG reunion, you’re in for disappointment. The show entirely squanders the opportunity of having the TNG cast together again, and sidelines anyone who isn’t Admiral Picard or Captain Riker."
https://www.thedigitalfix.com/star-trek/picard-season-3-review

Potential connections to LOWER DECKS?
"The season also possesses an overall Trek “movie-style” sensibility. As illuminated by the Star Trek: Lower Decks episodes “Crisis Point” and “Crisis Point 2: Paradoxus,” the Trek “movie-style” sensibility is distinct from the Trek “TV-style” sensibility. But Lower Decks pokes loving fun at those cinematic tropes, using them to comedic effect. By contrast, Picard season 3 pays loving homage, incorporating them without irony. While I don’t want to spoil the surprise of these cinematic Trek elements, suffice to say they will be immediately obvious to those with even a passing familiarity with the Franchise’s films."...
"The most common criticism of this season you are likely to see is that it relies on “member-berries” for its allure. In other words, reuniting the bridge crew of the Enterprise-D and Enterprise-E is merely a nostalgic cash-in. This isn’t a fair critique of the season, which both builds on the continuity established by recent Trek shows (especially the excellent and justly influential Lower Decks) and gives the majority of the returning characters compelling characters arcs."
https://www.comicsbeat.com/tv-review-tngs-crisis-point-arrives-in-picard-season-3/

Humor done right?
"Star Trek on television has never been really comfortable with humor. With the exception of a few episodes here and there (and the animated series Star Trek: Lower Decks, of course,) the humor often feels a little forced. The films, on the whole, have done a better job with it, especially Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home and J.J. Abrams’ Kelvin timeline movies. In the six episodes of PIC season 3 I’ve seen so far, there’s a lot of humor and, far from feeling forced, the jokes tend to hit the mark. In my estimation, a big reason for this is that the humor comes from the characters themselves, not from a situation fabricated to elicit laughs. TNG, perhaps unfairly, would often create humor at Worf’s (Michael Dorn) expense. Not so in PIC. So far, the humorous moments he’s involved in come from the fact that we know and love the character. We aren’t laughing at him, but rather, with a fondness born of familiarity. Also, as we know from the New York Comic Con trailer. the Klingon is a pacifist now. Trust me when I say that doesn’t make him any less of a badass!"
https://www.dailystartreknews.com/r...ason-3-is-more-than-a-next-generation-reunion
 
Jesse Gender dropped her review...

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She likes it.
Like I thought. They're taking time to develop Vadic before there's any face-to-face with Picard.
 
I wonder if Steve Shives has also been given advanced copies, but somehow I doubt it. Jesse has been getting advance copies at least since Prodigy, and I think she got an "In" with Trek because she loved Lower Decks and now knows Mike McMahan.

Shives hates Lower Decks in contrast. Though I think he does like Prodigy.
 
Since Jesse essentially dropped at least one DS9 cast member who appears in Picard, does anyone want to have some wild speculation on who it's gonna be?

Also, as an aside, I am like 90% certain from hints given about the arc of the series that Ro Laran is coming back.
 
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