I think we have vastly different ideas of who the Fenris Rangers are.
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I think we have vastly different ideas of who the Fenris Rangers are.
They're not cutthroat mercenaries, they're out to protect communities and rescue people (though they gotta do what they gotta do against space pirates and other paramilitaries).
I mean, 7 seemed pretty conflicted after killing Vagazel, and she tortured and killed Icheb.
Just watched Hide and Seek. I think I've pretty much laid out my problems with this show by now. Picard's bit about his Mother was good.
Of all the plot lines I like from best to worst:
1. Jurati/BQ.
2. Rios falling in love.
3. Picard remembering with Not Laris.
4. Raffi / Seven / Elnor Crisis.
5. Soong in a distant, distant fifth. I really wish we'd spent more time with Renee instead.
I scoffed the other week when a poster complained Q didn't appear enough in this season, but IMO he doesn't. He's hardly in it.
The episode was alright. Hoping for a blazing finale.
Of all the plot lines I like from best to worst:
1. Jurati/BQ.
2. Rios falling in love.
3. Picard remembering with Not Laris.
4. Raffi / Seven / Elnor Crisis.
5. Soong in a distant, distant fifth. I really wish we'd spent more time with Renee instead.
I scoffed the other week when a poster complained Q didn't appear enough in this season, but IMO he doesn't. He's hardly in it.
The episode was alright. Hoping for a blazing finale.
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Looking forward to it. I really am.
Episode 9 has probably been the worst for me. I just could not hold my attention to it and had to split it into four parts.
Most of Season 2 I have enjoyed. It’s a decent show. It shakes things up and has clear repercussions. It feels like it matters. It’s great to see the Borg pushed into new places. Pill is an absolute treasure and has blown me away this season. Likewise the actor playing the Borg Queen. Whenever they are on screen together, they sing.
Picard himself has suffered I think for not having a strong pairing this Season. It could have been Renee. It could have been Q. It could have been Soong. It could have been not-Laris. It could have been Guinan. But they give him the lot.
I feel like Raffi and Seven, Rios’s Romance, Jurati and the BQ… there has been some very tight writing… but Picard feels too scattered in his own show. He doesn’t feel like the centre of the narrative to me and the narrative he does have is unfocused.
If I may be so bold as to list a few ways I would have ‘fixed’ it, just as a mental exercise, I’d buddy up Picard with a De-Powered Q and play on the odd couple trope. They can’t stand each other on the surface, but they do have a strange affection for each other and as we know, they have chemistry. There's tension between them. History. But potential, huge potential, for lighter moments too.
In my perfect Season 2, Q and Picard would be paired up throughout. Q’s journey would be one of humility in the face of death. Strip layers off him over the season and get to the core of who he is. Also soften the relationship over the story. Finally, genuinely, Episode 10 and they have a ‘moment’ (I’m already spoiled so I know to some extent that does happen).
Loads of Renee, no Soong. She seemed a good character for the episode she was in, but I love NASA type Fall All Mankind stuff. Focus in on Gemini. A season of capers involving 24th Century humans, a depowered God, and the Borg Queen in Mission Control. At the centre of it all is Renee’s struggle with her own doubts and depression. That would be the way into Picard’s memories too. They explore depression together and come out brighter at the end.
Have La Sirena fake up some ID and money in the replicator. Get everyone to better places in the story quicker. Have Raffi and Seven come in as consultants on Gemini. Get the story to Renee and make her and Picard the centre of it…
I also feel they rushed out of the Confederation too early maybe? They could have had an extra episode there and spent more time blending in badly.
Um.
Sorry to go on. Just thoughts really. I thought Season 1 was a bit aimless, but generally alright. Season 2 has been a step up for me. None of the above is to imply that the writers suck or whatever, just random thoughts on what I might have done.
It’s all good though. I’m watching a lot of Star Trek these days. Still haven’t seen SNW 03, PRO or DSC Season 4, but I’ll get on with one of them after I finish E10. I’ve heard a lot of good things.
Additional - I think I might have found the Picard/Mother thing more compelling had I not spoiled myself. That’s my fault.
Looking forward to it. I really am.
Episode 9 has probably been the worst for me. I just could not hold my attention to it and had to split it into four parts.
Most of Season 2 I have enjoyed. It’s a decent show. It shakes things up and has clear repercussions. It feels like it matters. It’s great to see the Borg pushed into new places. Pill is an absolute treasure and has blown me away this season. Likewise the actor playing the Borg Queen. Whenever they are on screen together, they sing.
Picard himself has suffered I think for not having a strong pairing this Season. It could have been Renee. It could have been Q. It could have been Soong. It could have been not-Laris. It could have been Guinan. But they give him the lot.
I feel like Raffi and Seven, Rios’s Romance, Jurati and the BQ… there has been some very tight writing… but Picard feels too scattered in his own show. He doesn’t feel like the centre of the narrative to me and the narrative he does have is unfocused.
If I may be so bold as to list a few ways I would have ‘fixed’ it, just as a mental exercise, I’d buddy up Picard with a De-Powered Q and play on the odd couple trope. They can’t stand each other on the surface, but they do have a strange affection for each other and as we know, they have chemistry. There's tension between them. History. But potential, huge potential, for lighter moments too.
In my perfect Season 2, Q and Picard would be paired up throughout. Q’s journey would be one of humility in the face of death. Strip layers off him over the season and get to the core of who he is. Also soften the relationship over the story. Finally, genuinely, Episode 10 and they have a ‘moment’ (I’m already spoiled so I know to some extent that does happen).
Loads of Renee, no Soong. She seemed a good character for the episode she was in, but I love NASA type Fall All Mankind stuff. Focus in on Gemini. A season of capers involving 24th Century humans, a depowered God, and the Borg Queen in Mission Control. At the centre of it all is Renee’s struggle with her own doubts and depression. That would be the way into Picard’s memories too. They explore depression together and come out brighter at the end.
Have La Sirena fake up some ID and money in the replicator. Get everyone to better places in the story quicker. Have Raffi and Seven come in as consultants on Gemini. Get the story to Renee and make her and Picard the centre of it…
I also feel they rushed out of the Confederation too early maybe? They could have had an extra episode there and spent more time blending in badly.
Um.
Sorry to go on. Just thoughts really. I thought Season 1 was a bit aimless, but generally alright. Season 2 has been a step up for me. None of the above is to imply that the writers suck or whatever, just random thoughts on what I might have done.
It’s all good though. I’m watching a lot of Star Trek these days. Still haven’t seen SNW 03, PRO or DSC Season 4, but I’ll get on with one of them after I finish E10. I’ve heard a lot of good things.
Additional - I think I might have found the Picard/Mother thing more compelling had I not spoiled myself. That’s my fault.
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Watched the finale and enjoyed it mostly. I need to have a think about it.
Brent Spiner...? 
I picture Borg Enterprise as the usual Enterprise except with a cube instead of a saucer. (and the bridge is still on top, like a cherry)
There will be a three issue comic written by Kirsten Beyer that will bridge the gap between seasons 2 and 3.
https://trekmovie.com/2022/05/20/st...-between-seasons-2-and-3-of-star-trek-picard/
https://trekmovie.com/2022/05/20/st...-between-seasons-2-and-3-of-star-trek-picard/
With Rios deciding to stay in the past with his family at the end of Picard season 2, I would be interested in a spin-off show showing how he and his family survive the upcoming World War 3 that starts just two years later in 2026. I know it starts off small and it escalates into a worldwide conflict by the 2030's which ends with everyone nuking each other in the 2040's (with the last nukes being used in 2053). Since Rios knows what's going to happen and has detailed information of everything that happens in World War 3, it would be interesting to see how he and his family survive the whole conflict. In fact, just seeing an entire series based around Star Trek's World War 3 has always been something I've wanted to see.
Terry was surprised by the announcement, so I guess nothing in it was passed by him first.
How do people feel about the Wesley cameo?
I was super happy to hear it had happened, because I like Wheaton a lot. However I felt underwhelmed as he only interacted with Kore. I feel the character deserved a scene or two to interact with Picard, much as Riker had in Season 1... It felt... eh... tacked on I'd say.
Other finale thoughts:
It sort of all crashes together finally and mostly satisfies.
The good:
1) The Q/Picard scenes. I love watching these two together and the meta is strong here.
2) Rios's storyline. I feel like a dick because I can never remember the Doctors' name when I post, but she's a good character and the romance + payoff work.
3) The Picard/Laris scene at the end is lovely.
4) Seven and Raffi finally seem like a healthy couple who actually like each other.
5) Jurati Queen and the Borg Cooperative.
The eh:
1) The Wesley scene. So random. I've nothing against the character at all, but it wasn't even slightly foreshadowed. Anyone not necessarily steeped in TNG must find this show generally bewildering, but to the casual viewer he's just some guy that shows up. We should have had Picard in the scene too to a) contextualise Wesley and b) have a chance to put Picard and Wesley face to face all these years later.
I suppose at least Wheaton getting finally sidelined and undersold is consistent with TNG.
2) The Soong/Kore plot. It doesn't help at all that Kore is an analog of two other characters the actor has played across the last 20 episodes. Lab created person who discovers their life is a lie and a Soong was behind it all. I'm not into Brent Spiner 1990s Bond Villain theatrics at all.
Still though, good. A good season. I do think of all the Trek since Discovery, Picard is my least favourite. My wife is a very casual Star Trek fan and there's no way she could get through Season 1 or 2 without me having to explain a lot about what's what and who's who. It's the most fannish of the new Treks I guess. Still, it has it's pleasures and I'm really looking forward to Season 3.
I was super happy to hear it had happened, because I like Wheaton a lot. However I felt underwhelmed as he only interacted with Kore. I feel the character deserved a scene or two to interact with Picard, much as Riker had in Season 1... It felt... eh... tacked on I'd say.
Other finale thoughts:
It sort of all crashes together finally and mostly satisfies.
The good:
1) The Q/Picard scenes. I love watching these two together and the meta is strong here.
2) Rios's storyline. I feel like a dick because I can never remember the Doctors' name when I post, but she's a good character and the romance + payoff work.
3) The Picard/Laris scene at the end is lovely.
4) Seven and Raffi finally seem like a healthy couple who actually like each other.
5) Jurati Queen and the Borg Cooperative.
The eh:
1) The Wesley scene. So random. I've nothing against the character at all, but it wasn't even slightly foreshadowed. Anyone not necessarily steeped in TNG must find this show generally bewildering, but to the casual viewer he's just some guy that shows up. We should have had Picard in the scene too to a) contextualise Wesley and b) have a chance to put Picard and Wesley face to face all these years later.
I suppose at least Wheaton getting finally sidelined and undersold is consistent with TNG.
2) The Soong/Kore plot. It doesn't help at all that Kore is an analog of two other characters the actor has played across the last 20 episodes. Lab created person who discovers their life is a lie and a Soong was behind it all. I'm not into Brent Spiner 1990s Bond Villain theatrics at all.
Still though, good. A good season. I do think of all the Trek since Discovery, Picard is my least favourite. My wife is a very casual Star Trek fan and there's no way she could get through Season 1 or 2 without me having to explain a lot about what's what and who's who. It's the most fannish of the new Treks I guess. Still, it has it's pleasures and I'm really looking forward to Season 3.
Covid restrictions probably kept Wesley and Picard from reuniting.
I think in the long run the weird tangents taken with PIC are more suited to Star Trek or we end up with Wikipedia entries played out in live action like with S1 of The Book Of Boba Fett (where the main character suddenly seemed far too much of a trusting, naive, and dependent fool to serve formulaic plotting).
I loved the Wesley scene. For a often maligned character (I was 7 or 8 when I first saw next gen, so I loved Wesley - a slightly older super geeky awkward kid) to be shown to be thriving in the life he chose was awesome. So much better than the cutting room floor debacle of Nemesis.
Plus it opens up the possibility, with him essentially being the Trek version of a Time Lord, for him to turn up in any other show. It would be great to have a Wesley 2-parter in Disco (in my head where their every storyline isn’t season spanning).
Plus it opens up the possibility, with him essentially being the Trek version of a Time Lord, for him to turn up in any other show. It would be great to have a Wesley 2-parter in Disco (in my head where their every storyline isn’t season spanning).
Btw, are the Borg an actual full member of the Federation now? Like are we gonna see Borg crew members on Starfleet ships and all that? Or are they just simply Federation members in the sense that they are gonna guard the entrance to that new anomaly to protect the Federation but will still keep to themselves?
In the sense we'll likely never hear from them again.
It basically explains the "far future" stuff in Lower Decks' Miles O'Brien gag where there are Borg schoolchildren along with humans and Ferengi.
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