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Neither are bad. They are just words. They only have the power that you personally give them.

I look forward to you using the F word and N words to your kids growing up. Tell them the words "only have the power that they personally give them"

Anyway, topic's been done to death now. I don't have a problem with them saying fuck in Star Trek, I just think it was pointless and childish, done for shock value, especially the "STFU *silence*" from Picard and the "this is so fucking cool *silence*" from Discovery.
 
I look forward to you using the F word and N words to your kids growing up. Tell them the words "only have the power that they personally give them"
Now, see, the N word is different. There is a history and context to it about specific ways it has been used to demean other human beings. That word has a power given to it by history. Other "standard" curse words do not. And as for F-bombs? My child's corporate accountant mother curses like a sailor and has been dropping F-bombs around her for her whole life. Hasn't damaged her a bit.
 
Now, see, the N word is different. There is a history and context to it about specific ways it has been used to demean other human beings. That word has a power given to it by history. Other "standard" curse words do not. And as for F-bombs? My child's corporate accountant mother curses like a sailor and has been dropping F-bombs around her for her whole life. Hasn't damaged her a bit.

Yeah , that came out of nowhere...........I may be wrong but I have not heard any NuTrek dropping an N word. SO let's not EVEN go there please. Someone seems to be trying to stir the pot some more. I say again do not continue this direction.

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I think that's overselling it a bit. In its first two seasons, it ran in a family-friendly 8:30 time slot, following Daniel Boone and Tarzan.
And yet it featured very scantily clad women, a crew that was of both mixed race and sex, the first interracial kiss on TV between a Caucasian and an African and, yes, swearing. It all seems so child-friendly now, but that certainly wasn't the intent at the time. Exactly the opposite was the case.

And one thing I will say about second era Star Trek is that it definitely toned down any controversial elements once Rick Berman had complete control. Berman was less interested in taking chances and pushing boundaries. HE was the "family friendly" guy. So while people say that this stuff goes against Gene Roddenberry's vision, the actual truth of the matter is that it actually goes against Rick Berman's vision.
 
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"Stratagem(ENT)" was a very good episode. One of the best of the Xindi Arc. Matalas already starts out with a decent pedigree.
 
And at some point, someone could ask the question why, exactly, the word fuck is "naughty?" What makes it inherently worse than the word "sex?" Or why EXACTLY is the word "shit" worse that "poop?" I mean, it's all totally arbitrary rules which we as a society made up that have no REAL meaning. There is no ACTUAL reason these are "bad words." There are other words we use in their place that mean the same thing but for reasons passing understanding are "acceptable." So I, personally, couldn't care less if my 9 year old sees them say "fucking cool" because, honestly, who cares?

Because if your a Christian, sex is suppose to be a sacred act of love between man and women in order to produce a child and thus allowing you to create a family. Fuck is casual therefore it implies sex just for fun and if your Christian your not suppose to enjoy sex unless it's done in the effort of creating babies. That's my theory anyways. Not all Christians of course believe it but many do and more importantly many of them with power pretend to believe it.


Jason
 
Because if your a Christian, sex is suppose to be a sacred act of love between man and women in order to produce a child and thus allowing you to create a family. Fuck is casual therefore it implies sex just for fun and if your Christian your not suppose to enjoy sex unless it's done in the effort of creating babies. That's my theory anyways. Not all Christians of course believe it but many do and more importantly many of them with power pretend to believe it.


Jason
While I know many Catholics who do believe this most of the Christians that I know do not. I think that's a broadbrushed stereotype that unfortunately, as you note, is perpetuated by people in power within the religious structures. Thankfully, I have had many pastors and leaders who do not hold to that belief.
 
Because if your a Christian, sex is suppose to be a sacred act of love between man and women in order to produce a child and thus allowing you to create a family. Fuck is casual therefore it implies sex just for fun and if your Christian your not suppose to enjoy sex unless it's done in the effort of creating babies. That's my theory anyways. Not all Christians of course believe it but many do and more importantly many of them with power pretend to believe it.


Jason

That explains one group of peoples reaction to fuck, but how would they feel about shit? Also: "you're".
 
Because if your a Christian, sex is suppose to be a sacred act of love between man and women in order to produce a child and thus allowing you to create a family. Fuck is casual therefore it implies sex just for fun and if your Christian your not suppose to enjoy sex unless it's done in the effort of creating babies. That's my theory anyways. Not all Christians of course believe it but many do and more importantly many of them with power pretend to believe it.
That would only explain the people who've also had a problem with "Let's get the hell out of here." and "Haven't you got any goddamn feelings about that?" Indeed, one would think devout Christians would more likely take take offense to invoking God's name in vain than to anything carnal. But in my experience, most people who regularly complain about the usage of "fuck" specifically in Star Trek seem to have no problem with the former and would usually go on lengthy spiels about how "goddamn", "hell", "shit" etc. represent a much milder language than the dreaded f-word which is somehow a watershed of uncivilized, barbaric behavior, bad quality and a lack of creativity. A word that is completely inappropriate for a TV-show that is supposed to be "child-accessible" yet is at the same time constantly derided as something only young kids trying to sound adult would ever say. Only "fuck" ever receives that treatment, including the oft-invoked need for justifying its legitimate story purpose. Everything else is a creative choice, but for some reason "fuck" isn't.
 
That would only explain the people who've also had a problem with "Let's get the hell out of here." and "Haven't you got any goddamn feelings about that?" Indeed, one would think devout Christians would more likely take take offense to invoking God's name in vain than to anything carnal. But in my experience, most people who regularly complain about the usage of "fuck" specifically in Star Trek seem to have no problem with the former and would usually go on lengthy spiels about how "goddamn", "hell", "shit" etc. represent a much milder language than the dreaded f-word which is somehow a watershed of uncivilized, barbaric behavior, bad quality and a lack of creativity. A word that is completely inappropriate for a TV-show that is supposed to be "child-accessible" yet is at the same time constantly derided as something only young kids trying to sound adult would ever say. Only "fuck" ever receives that treatment, including the oft-invoked need for justifying its legitimate story purpose. Everything else is a creative choice, but for some reason "fuck" isn't.
Fuck that :biggrin:
 
is it possible alton soong is arik and noonian?

in some flint style immortality?
 
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