Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread
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I just can't help but love the fact that the usage of 'fuck' makes a series unsuitable for children and childish at the same time.
And besides... who decides what's 'necessary' for a story and what isn't? It wouldn't diminish my enjoyment or understanding of an episode if I didn't see the planet they were orbiting, so why waste money animating that planet? The meaning of Picard & Raffi's flashback wouldn't have changed if they wore the current uniforms, why was it necessary to create new ones? Etc.
And besides... who decides what's 'necessary' for a story and what isn't? It wouldn't diminish my enjoyment or understanding of an episode if I didn't see the planet they were orbiting, so why waste money animating that planet? The meaning of Picard & Raffi's flashback wouldn't have changed if they wore the current uniforms, why was it necessary to create new ones? Etc.
Jeri Ryan was already on record as being thrilled about her new costume in comparison to the old one - hardly surprising, really!
Oh, I know, but I like that she makes such a point of it so it won't be forgotten... I mean, even in this forum there are still people entertaining fantasies of how actresses like wearing these suits.
Its usage in Discovery was childish. It was literally 1 scene, completely out of the blue and done for shock value. Back when that series felt it needed a plot twist every 30 minutes to stay interesting.
At least PIC owned it and kept using it, even though I disagree with it from a creative POV. I would have loved to be in the room when Chabon was explaining why using the word fuck was necessary to Patrick Stewart.
Sorry if I asked this before, but what do we know about the new showrunner?
Nope. It was used perfectly natural to the situation.
I doubt he needed to explain anything. If it was there, it was because Stewart didn't mind/care.
Picard swears in French? OK.
Data says "Oh, shit!" OK.
Characters saying fucking in similar ways to how I use it in my life? Apparently not OK.
Data says "Oh, shit!" OK.
Characters saying fucking in similar ways to how I use it in my life? Apparently not OK.
https://trekmovie.com/2020/06/25/pa...icard-felt-it-was-time-to-joke-with-jean-luc/
If you think the F word blurted out for the first time in Trek, followed by a long silence, and then never heard again in two seasons wasn't done for shock value, then that's great. I'm happy for you.
Picard swears in French? OK.
Data says "Oh, shit!" OK.
Characters saying fucking in similar ways to how I use it in my life? Apparently not OK.
You can't be that obtuse. There are varying levels of swearing, shit gets you one rating, fuck gets you another in most ratings boards.
Yes, I can be that obtuse. But, in this specific instance I don't care what ratings boards say. Data's "Oh Shit" was more off putting than the f word in Discovery or Picard.
For me, yes using "fuck" sticks out like a sore thumb, but if the stories had been better I wouldn't have noticed or cared as much.
This is very true. I freely acknowledge that my engagement with the characters is far more important than what swear words they use. So, yeah, engagement is making all the difference here.
Most of the swearing in Trek has been barely registering. Picard's "Not good enough, damn it, not good enough" is probably the most off putting followed by Data's "Oh, shit."
But, that might again be owed to engagement.
If Patrick was completely against it, he is a EP on the project and he could have had it changed. He must have agreed with whatever reason Chabon gave for the word to be used.
The pearl clutchers probably complained too loudly.
And at some point, someone could ask the question why, exactly, the word fuck is "naughty?" What makes it inherently worse than the word "sex?" Or why EXACTLY is the word "shit" worse that "poop?" I mean, it's all totally arbitrary rules which we as a society made up that have no REAL meaning. There is no ACTUAL reason these are "bad words." There are other words we use in their place that mean the same thing but for reasons passing understanding are "acceptable." So I, personally, couldn't care less if my 9 year old sees them say "fucking cool" because, honestly, who cares?
You think "damn it" is worse than "shut the fuck up"? Genuinely?
You're conflating terms. I didn't say "worse;" I said "off-putting" as in it didn't feel like it fit in the story, didn't feel like a natural way to phrase it. It stood out to me, felt unpleasant in context, and took me out of the story, far more than "fucking cool" every did.
How about the 2 GOD DAMNs I mentioned earlier from 30 years ago..........They're all just FUCKING WORDS. You're using that as a crutch. If you don't like MT that's fine, but own it and stop blaming "dirty words". This discussion has happened before when it aired and at least 4 times since. Let's find something NEW and pointless to bicker about shall we?
Neither are bad. They are just words. They only have the power that you personally give them.
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