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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

The simplest solution that pleases both parties is: We have no idea what the Enterprise looked like when she was launched in 2245. So you can believe it's either the Disco Enterprise or Captain April's Enterprise. Leaving that fork in the road keeps it agnostic.
Sounds good to me. No need to complicate it.
 
Can someone who likes this series just explain why? I there something i just understand? Im nit trying to be a contrarian i just dont get it

I like Picard because it is the polar opposite of most of what has come before. With the exception of DS9 (which made me really question the roddenberry vision and is in my top 3 tv series) I find most of 90's trek pretty bland, homogenised, formulaic and unchallenging viewing. I'll do rewatches of TNG and Voyager from time to time but it involves a lot of skipping of episodes and I usually end up web surfing or doing other things while they are on in the background.

All I'm going to say is this. No show is going to bring back the past (well maybe "Stranger Things"). Everything has moved on. When I see people criticize Picard, I've noticed one central theme. The so called fans don't want to admit that things have changed. Picard could never bring back the same experience as watching TNG. I watched the Orville and I was not impressed with. I've grown beyond TNG. What I like about Picard is that it's not just about nostalgia but genuinely trying to move things forward. Are there problems? Sure but they don't stop me from watching the show.

I understand both sides of these arguments. I'm kind of interested by Picard, and kind of put off by certain things about it.

I think Star Trek had to evolve. The 80-90's TV style of Trek just wouldn't work today. And the environment and characters and ideas in it were either too perfect or felt too unrealistic.

It played it safe most of the time. the characters spoke too perfectly, acted too perfectly-didn't have issues that contemporary people could relate to.

Except for DS9, which struck the perfect balance if you ask me. I think that's why it became the show everyone ignored that became a cult classic. While TNG was the mainstream hit that eventually kind of fizzled out.

On the other hand, Picard seems to be running directly into the things the TOS-TNG era said didn't happen anymore or were obsolete.

You can see they're pretty much ignoring the 'no money' or "no need or want" ideology. The no conflict between people rule--apparently that's out. There's more destruction porn. The pacing is a bit weird and suspicious.

It's also a little obvious it's trying to be edgy with things like the bro-sis incest- angle.

But overall, it's still interesting because it's new- It's refreshing to see something different. It's kind of weird and fun to see these characters act so differently.
 
You can see they're pretty much ignoring the 'no money' or "no need or want" ideology.
I have not seen either want or money used in the federation yet.

Only time money seems to be used is by hiring a off book ship and free cloud was a non federation planet.

Also I don't see any poverty or real want either. In the federation.

Outside the federation ? That's a diffrent matter as there has always been want, poverty and shit outside the federation.


The no conflict between people rule--apparently that's out.
That was a stupid rule anyway.
 
And one that was long since abadoned way back in the Berman era. Even TNG itself didn't really follow that rule after the first year or two.
It never did follow it in the way some people think, not even when Gene was fully in charge. It was never 'no any conflict whatsoever between main characters' it was just about avoiding the show becoming a soap opera where the plot revolves around interpersonal drama.
 
It never did follow it in the way some people think, not even when Gene was fully in charge. It was never 'no any conflict whatsoever between main characters' it was just about avoiding the show becoming a soap opera where the plot revolves around interpersonal drama.

From Season 1, it became a trope where Worf would give advice in the Ready Room which was promptly ignored by everyone else.
 
Was anyone else delighted that Seven turned into a revenge-obsessed b*tch? I know I was.
Um..if she was so "Revenge Obsessed", she probably would killed Bjayzl long before she did here. She saw an opportunity present itself and she took it. Whether you thioink her action was justified is a personal matter, but I wouldn't call her 'obsessed'.

Just curious: Did you have a similar action to Picard taking out Ensign Lynch with a Machine Gun on the 1701-D holodeck back in 1996 when "Star Trek: First Contact" was in theaters <--- and do you despise the film or the character of Picard as a result?

IMO - I had NO ISSUE with 7 of 9 showing that she was in actuality a Human being who believed that, for kidnapping and stripping former Borg of their Implants (to make a profit) - and who did so to someone 7 of 9 considered akin to a 'son'; Bjayzl should be executed, and did the honors.

I like her character traits better than the constant hypocrisy of Picard, which is displayed nearly every episode of this series so far. Funny thing is: It's EXACTLY the same way his character was written fior the majority of TNG. If their's one aspect Picard LOVES to showcase, it's his blatant hypocrisy.
 
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