Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

becomes problematic, however, when a part of the fanbase treats said author as an untouchable saint who is above all critizism, if he becomes idolized in an almost Hubbardian way. That's the moment when it is the duty of reasonable people to take a step back and say: wait a moment, this person has faults like everyone else. maybe even more.

It does feel very like religious passion.

 

[DaveyNY]

It does feel very like religious passion.

... of the worst kind.

 

[Danja]

Where else would you pull his eye out of?

Please don't tempt him.

 

[Longinus]

See, I love the Cthulhu mythos but I can aknowledge that Lovecraft was extremely xenophobic in the truest sense of the word, I love Bond novels. They are really well written despite the fact that they are racist, misogynistic garbage by a man who shared this world view. I can differentiate between the author and the work.

It becomes problematic, however, when a part of the fanbase treats said author as an untouchable saint who is above all critizism, if he becomes idolized in an almost Hubbardian way. That's the moment when it is the duty of reasonable people to take a step back and say: wait a moment, this person has faults like everyone else. maybe even more.

I really haven't seen much of that happening here. It is much more common to see Gene and his vision being mocked. I don't need to think that the guy was a saint to recognise that he created the two Trek shows that I find overwhelmingly most compelling and all the main characters in them, so he was probably doing something right.

 

[The Old Mixer]

They backward engineered his inbuilt weapon and incorporated it in to the romulans that went on to be assimilated by the cube in Picard causing its submatrix collapse.

The cube was disabled prior to the Icheb incident...and the attempt to extract his implants was interrupted.

 

[Crazyewok]

The cube was disabled prior to the Icheb incident...and the attempt to extract his implants was interrupted.

I though the cube was taken out 14 years prior and ichebs death was that time?

As for interruption, my guess was the facility wasn't destroyed and may have got just enough information.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Icheb's death was 13 years ago.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Icheb's death was 13 years ago.

and yet it feels like it happened just a few days ago
#neverforget
#justiceforicheb
#whichonewasichebagain?

 

[ITDUDE]

@ITDUDE , you're missing a great opportunity to fill up your Bingo card.

Maybe we do need that dedicated pinned thread? Trolling be damned

 

[The Old Mixer]

Who needs a pinned thread when the action was right here?

 

[JLBTucker]

Can someone who likes this series just explain why? I there something i just understand? Im nit trying to be a contrarian i just dont get it

 

[Danja]

Can someone who likes this series just explain why? I there something i just understand? Im nit trying to be a contrarian i just dont get it

I watch mainly for Seven of Nine (Hint: Look at my avatar ).

I'm glad she's out of the catsuit, corset, and heels.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Read this interview. When you're done we'll compare notes.

Wait. Who the Hell am I kidding? You're not going to. So I'll cut-and-paste the whole thing. You're reading this thread anyway, so I will have done half the work for you. Normally I wouldn't do this, but I know you won't read it otherwise.

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And beyond that, anything you’re going to hand Patrick Stewart, he can play. It’s not like you have to write around limitations.
It’s incredible, the things he does over the course of the season. Because it’s not just him playing the Picard that you know when you think of Picard. He’s playing Picard who’s decades older, has been through a lot, has aged physically, is looking at his life in the way that someone who’s middle-aged wouldn’t. In canon in our story, Picard is I believe 92. So he’s older than Patrick is, but someone who’s been alive that long, looking at his life, is going to be behaving very differently than someone who’s however old Patrick was when he started doing TNG. Patrick had all of that. He presents the character of Picard very much as the same guy. And yet, he’s changed, inevitably. He’s older, he’s wiser, he’s sadder, he has more regrets and more to regret. All of that just emerged on day one of shooting.

Star Trek: Generations does weird things with Kirk and Picard’s retirement fantasies. I never bought that Kirk would want to be on a horse farm instead of the Enterprise, nor that Picard would dream of this idealized family gathering. When you started thinking about what Picard had done in retirement, where did you first go on the way to where he landed?
We had the clue from the series finale of TNG about the vineyard, and there was a lot that was appealing in that. I don’t know how the other writers felt about it, but to me somehow there were echoes of Sherlock Holmes in that, one of my other favorite characters. I wrote fan fiction on that. You know, retiring to Sussex to be a beekeeper and how that always had a sense of, “How could Holmes have possibly been content to do that?” This man that we’re told, when we first meet him, if he’s ever idle, he immediately turns to the cocaine, and he can’t stand being idle for a moment, and yet he’s going to tend to bees? Then you see he did come out of retirement, according to Doyle, and did this thing during World War I.

Thinking about Patrick and Picard in that way, I thought, let’s say he did go back to the chateau. Would he be happy there? How would that work for him? Would he just settle down and start dating a local widow and have a quiet, pastoral life, or would that sit not well for him? Would he chafe at it? It just felt like an interesting enough question just right off the bat that it felt like, let’s start there and see what happens.

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You have to step down as Picard showrunner to do this. How does it feel to have one dream project get in the way of another?
It would be great if I could do both. I don’t want to leave Picard. I’m not leaving — I’m sticking around. It’s been renewed, so we’ve already started planning for the second season. I’m every bit as involved in that process, and I’m going to stay on as an executive producer, and I’m going to write episodes. But at some point, the focus of my time and attention and love is going to slide over to Kavalier & Clay. But exactly how and where and when, it’s not clear. This is a transitional period for me. But I’m definitely reluctant and sorry to ultimately be leaving this behind. It’s still incredibly exciting. Talking about Season Two is already fun all over again. It won’t be easy for me. Star Trek’s not going anywhere, and hopefully, I’m not going anywhere either.

Star Trek: Picard debuts January 23rd on CBS All Access.

Goddamn man, was this supposed to be some sort of wall of text pissing match with Dix? You won, dude.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Producers after work on more than one show (Kurtzman is working on Picard, Disco, and Hawaii Five-O).

MG is in its fourth season.

Kurtzman isn't the main showrunner on any of those shows. Michelle Paradise is taking over those duties on Discovery, this new guy will have Picard, and Hawaii 5-0 is run by Peter Lenkov and Eric Guggenheim. Kurtzman is overseeing the higher "Star Trek Universe" branding as a whole.

Matalas can run two shows, especially since there are many of the same production teams involved and they're both with CBS. But, I wouldn't recommend it. It's part of the reason why Fuller had issues, trying to showrun three series at once. IMO, a showrunner needs one show to manage. I would prefer they not change showrunners between seasons, but I think Chabon only has a one-season story in mind, and this let's him tell that story and then move on to other creative projects in the future.

 

[Danja]

Kurtzman is overseeing the higher "Star Trek Universe" branding as a whole.

Cue the Hate eruption in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

 

[Nerys Myk]

Can someone who likes this series just explain why? I there something i just understand? Im nit trying to be a contrarian i just dont get it

I like the characters, the acting, the storyline and the production elements.
Why should I dislike it?

 

[Lord Garth]

Goddamn man, was this supposed to be some sort of wall of text pissing match with Dix? You won, dude.

He was saying all these things about Michael Chabon that weren't true. So I unloaded the barrel and laid it all out bare. All out. I proved that Michael Chabon is all Trekkie. Then he folded.

I saved us those 20 pages.

 

[The Old Mixer]

He was saying all these things about Michael Chabon that weren't true. So I unloaded the barrel and laid it all out bare. All out. I proved that Michael Chabon is all Trekkie. Then he folded.

I saved us those 20 pages.

You're on the honor system, so I'll trust that you didn't slip anything objectionable in there.

 

[DaveyNY]

You're on the honor system, so I'll trust that you didn't slip anything objectionable in there.

Some of us are aware that it all was code for a Final, Uncompromising, Calculated Knockout designed to Yield Objective Understanding.

Of course in the most polite manner possible.

<chuckle>

 

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

What are you talking about, grandpa?
This is a criticism of a bad show and how it pretends to represent Star Trek by putting a label of Star Trek on it. I'm just one of those hundreds and thousands of viewers who don't buy the opinions of professional critics and openly express their dissatisfaction with a show that is turning to be more like STD with each new episode. That's all. But you probably consider any view, review, or opinion being anything but positive towards this thing as being exotic. I see that's the case here.

This “grandpa” watched TOS in first run and has seen every episode of every series more than once. That said, it doesn’t give me license to act like an asshole. I doubt if you’ll last very long around here.