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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

Doesn't mean it's nothing. If it's a good story, it didn't stop being a good story just because it isn't "canon" anymore.

Did you enjoy reading it back in the day? Have you lost that experience?

I confess this is one of my hobby-horses when it comes to comics in general. I'm puzzled by readers who insist that some favorite old story is theirs is somehow ruined because it felt out of continuity at some point, or who complain that they wasted their time and money because certain storylines don't "count" anymore.

Me, I'm always: "Has the art changed? Have the words been rewritten? Have you retroactively lost the experience of enjoying it in the past? Can you never enjoy it again?"

A good comic book is never "nothing" as long as people enjoyed reading it, regardless if we're talking about STAR TREK or an old Silver Age BATMAN comic.
Exactly so. It always amuses me when people claim "ruination" because something is no longer canon. I can read them again and again and no matter what that experience is mine.

Just like when people get bent out of shape because the visuals of TOS are no longer canon. It doesn't take away from the fact that I can still watch it (and do) and that those characters had an impact upon me. The enjoyment is still there, canon status be damned.
 
To be fair, he did direct The Mummy.

Admittedly, that was a rather soulless movie that never once came close to touching on the love I have for the Brendan Fraser trilogy, but visually at least, he did a good job.

Damn film suffered big time from the attempt to immediately build a cinematic universe from the get go. Can’t imagine that was easy to fit in.
 
Admittedly, that was a rather soulless movie that never once came close to touching on the love I have for the Brendan Fraser trilogy, but visually at least, he did a good job.

Damn film suffered big time from the attempt to immediately build a cinematic universe from the get go. Can’t imagine that was easy to fit in.

I really, really wanted to like that movie just because the original Universal Monsters are near and dear to my heart, and, personally, I was hoping for something more akin to Boris Karloff than Brendan Fraser, but, lord, was that new movie a mess. It couldn't decide if it wanted to be a serious horror movie, a breezy action-adventure flick like the 90s movies, or a blockbuster Tom Cruise vehicle, along with laying the groundwork for a new "cinematic universe." It was all over the place in tone.

Sofia Boutella deserved better.
 
I didn’t really enjoy it to be honest. All I remember from it is Worf being impaled. I’m not really a Star Trek novel guy. I prefer the novels.
 
I don’t put a lot of stock in IMDB ratings, but I find it interesting that yesterday Picard as a show was at 7.7 and the first episode was 8.8. Now Picard as a show is at 8.3 and the first episode is at 9.1. Maybe a sign that it’s much less divisive among the fanbase? (And maybe Discovery absorbed all of the hate for being the first on a streaming service?)

I’m pretty sure Discovery has never had an episode who’s rating on IMDB got better over time
 
Memory-Alpha is saying that the show takes place in 2397, because of the '10 year anniversary' line about the supernova.
2397 makes sense, because we know that Picard was born in 2305, and he's canonically 92 here.

Careful, let's not conflate things! Laris (the Romulan woman at Chateau Picard) says that she's been reminding Picard of such-and-such for ten years, implying she's been with the household that long but not that the supernova was exactly that long ago. The interviewer later introduces Picard by saying that today is the anniversary of the supernova, but not specifically the tenth anniversary. And the show never states that Picard is 92; AFAIK that was only an off-the-cuff remark from Michael Chabon.

What we do know specifically from the episode is that Data painted the painting Picard notices "in 2369," which was "thirty years ago," and later that Data's death (in Nemesis, conventionally dated to 2379) was "over two decades ago." Assuming that "over" is ambiguous enough to be read as "not less than," the most logical date for the opening episode of Picard is sometime in 2399.

Doesn't mean it's nothing. If it's a good story, it didn't stop being a good story just because it isn't "canon" anymore.

Did you enjoy reading it back in the day? Have you lost that experience? ...

A good comic book is never "nothing" as long as people enjoyed reading it, regardless if we're talking about STAR TREK or an old Silver Age BATMAN comic.
As a general rule, I'm inclined to agree with you. I think there's room for a category of exceptions, though, and that something like ST:Countdown falls into it. It's really not a story designed to be enjoyed on its own. Whatever makes it enjoyable is precisely its connection to the larger mythos, to events and characters with whom we already have a connection, and, hence, about which we want to fill in the gaps. (FWIW, I read Countdown at the time, and I currently remember next to nothing about it except for a few points of continuity.) Strip away that connection by saying that its continuity is no longer valid, and it has very little enjoyment left to offer... and meanwhile whatever questions it answered are retroactively re-opened.
 
The first episode takes place in 2399. This isn't ten years after the explosion of the Romulan sun, this is at least twelve.
 
I sure hope that the Romulans working for Picard aren't agents with a secret agenda, because that would ruin how they seem to personify Picard's ideals as expressed in his seeing the Romulans as people rather than Romulans / an enemy.
 
Exactly so. It always amuses me when people claim "ruination" because something is no longer canon. I can read them again and again and no matter what that experience is mine.

Just like when people get bent out of shape because the visuals of TOS are no longer canon. It doesn't take away from the fact that I can still watch it (and do) and that those characters had an impact upon me. The enjoyment is still there, canon status be damned.

I wouldn’t say the TOS visuals are no longer canon.
 
I wouldn’t say the TOS visuals are no longer canon.
I agree wholeheartedly ... they are still canon in my book, just out of sync with what has become of the Prime Universe since the fallout of "First Contact" & "ENTERPRISE".
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I'm still not convinced in any way that FC and ENT changed things. "TATV..." may be a flaming sewage spill but it does confirm that Archer and the NX-01 existed in the timeline more than three years before Picard and his crew traveled back to 2063 to stop the Borg from changing history. I can buy that the Borg changed history and that the 1701-E crew fixed the timeline but that would mean that the "original" timeline always had Riker and Geordi in the cockpit of the Phoenix and Klaang always crash-landed in Oklahoma.

It's a fun and convenient way to explain differences but after "TATV..." it definitely doesn't hold up.
 
I'm still not convinced in any way that FC and ENT changed things. "TATV..." may be a flaming sewage spill but it does confirm that Archer and the NX-01 existed in the timeline more than three years before Picard and his crew traveled back to 2063 to stop the Borg from changing history. I can buy that the Borg changed history and that the 1701-E crew fixed the timeline but that would mean that the "original" timeline always had Riker and Geordi in the cockpit of the Phoenix and Klaang always crash-landed in Oklahoma.

It's a fun and convenient way to explain differences but after "TATV..." it definitely doesn't hold up.
That "thing" at the end of ENTERPRISEs' last season, was a very distorted version of what actually happened.
Riker is only good at programming Pretty Girls and Great Jazz Bands, not accurate historical happenings.

(that's my story and I'm stickin' to it!)
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I'm pretty sure both Kirk and Picard learned about the NX-01 in school and at Starfleet Academy. ;)
 
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