I don't know who are you refering to. I am individual, I don't belong to some group like Old-Schoolers or some s**t if you understand. Kelvinverse was alway acceptable bcs it is other universe/reality/dimension/timeline
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I don't know who are you refering to. I am individual, I don't belong to some group like Old-Schoolers or some s**t if you understand. Kelvinverse was alway acceptable bcs it is other universe/reality/dimension/timeline
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...oh, wait, you're serious?
Ok, jokes aside but Kelvinverse was not "always acceptable" not to the vast majority of Trek fans I interacted with. More casual audience goers, people like my mom and my wife, absolutely loved it and appreciated it and the references to TOS that they were familiar with, while enjoying the 21st century style and better graphics. Yes, that matters. However, Trek fans that I encountered, especially online, treated it as "heresy, a crime against Trek," and my personal favorite "Star Wars in Star Trek clothes."
Acceptable? Yeah, not by a long shot.
I stepped down as a moderator during the lead-up to the 2009 Film. I was a moderator in the Kelvin Forum, I issued seven warnings in one day and decided, "Fuck this! I'm done."
No it wasn't.
So, I'm on the fence. One day, when someone's like, "DSC was always accepted!", should I correct them or keep my mouth shut? First World problems.
(I've been to Mostar btw, amazing place)I guess there are structural similarities, but the tone, continuity, writing style and organic evolution are all different. It would be like saying ENT was DS9 with a retro skin.
I guess for me I may not like them, but at least do appreciate that they set up the Abramsverse to avoid most of the continuity snafus. Although losing Spock and Romulas wasn't exactly the original continuity getting away painlessly either.
At least we can be grateful JJ Abrams and company didn't succeed in their aim to suppress everything from 1966-2005 so they could do all the merchandising.
Maybe I would have gotten more Kelvin content if he had.
Hardly. Like it or not (and you clearly don't) everything else in modern Trek owes its existence to Disco, season 1 specifically. It's because enough people watched season 1 for it to be considered a hit that convinced CBS there was an audience for a TNG revival about Picard's retirement days, an audience an animated sitcom about Starfleet's less prestigious side, and an animated Voyager sequel aimed at kids. And if it weren't for Disco S1, there would be no season 2 to introduce Anson Mount as Captain Pike and lead to a spin-off about his time commanding the Enterprise.
Without the "failed experiment" as you called it, you would not be able to watch Picard's third season memberberry extravaganza you so clearly enjoy.
People don't think Discovery as a one and done wouldn't produce a cornucopia of Trek content?
When I say that Kelvinverse was always acceptable I can't speak in the name of other people. I can speak only in my own name. I'm an individual, and I'm not part of some big group with same opinion. Ok, I'm an old ST fan but that's it.
I really like and really enjoy Strange New Worlds, Picard season 3 and Lower Decks. When I watch thoose three shows of so called New Trek I fell happiness and joy.
Let's go further. I'm 100% ok with Prodigy but I'm not enjoying it. When we talk about STD i really hate it, unrelated to what was born from it and what was not.
Maybe as a forums member and a ST fan more than 21 year I have some rights to tell my opinion about STD. For me it's a complete low-quality garbage. I didn't enjoy not for even second of that show. I forced myself to watch it just to be up to date about Star Trek Universe, but I stopped at the half of season 4. Even thoose episodes I watched it was with rewind and skip.
My opionion about STD is shared among huge number of fans in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, that I'm aware of it. But it doesn't metter. 1.000.000 of fans can have their own positive opinion about STD, I can have the other one and I would not change it.
If I'm narrow minded bcs I can't accept KlingOrcs, all the time crying people, amusment park in ship's center, stupid story about destructed warp capability and million other things of STD - ok I have narrow mind. End of story.
I really like and really enjoy Strange New Worlds, Picard season 3 and Lower Decks. When I watch thoose three shows of so called New Trek I fell happiness and joy.
Let's go further. I'm 100% ok with Prodigy but I'm not enjoying it. When we talk about STD i really hate it, unrelated to what was born from it and what was not.
Maybe as a forums member and a ST fan more than 21 year I have some rights to tell my opinion about STD. For me it's a complete low-quality garbage. I didn't enjoy not for even second of that show. I forced myself to watch it just to be up to date about Star Trek Universe, but I stopped at the half of season 4. Even thoose episodes I watched it was with rewind and skip.
My opionion about STD is shared among huge number of fans in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, that I'm aware of it. But it doesn't metter. 1.000.000 of fans can have their own positive opinion about STD, I can have the other one and I would not change it.
If I'm narrow minded bcs I can't accept KlingOrcs, all the time crying people, amusment park in ship's center, stupid story about destructed warp capability and million other things of STD - ok I have narrow mind. End of story.
Voyager lasted 7 years and was tradional Trek, the fact ST
lasted only 5 seasons in a politcal climate that favored it is very telling.
lasted only 5 seasons in a politcal climate that favored it is very telling.
None of these series are going to last seven seasons because, as has been said repeatedly, streaming shows don't normally last seven seasons. The times have changed.Voyager lasted 7 years and was tradional Trek, the fact ST
And the times don't favor it. We've lived in a deeply polarized political climate since 2000.
What I mean is the show would never had aired when Bush was in office. Star Trek has always reflected the current politcal climate in the USA.
No, you're right, it wouldn't have. But that's not the point. SNW won't last seven seasons either. It's as traditional as Star Trek can get.
Trust me, I would've liked DSC to last seven seasons because I predicted people who aren't fans of the show would say stuff like this. And now it's happening.
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I understand what you are saying, but SNW might last 7 seasons as it's tradional trek that does not confuse the audience and respects the history of the franchise. The factor is if the cast gets greedy when their contracts are up. In my opinion the cast deserves any demands they make. I will always be thankful for Discovery for bringing back Trek, but it's new vision was disrespectful to the vast history previous Trek already established.
And I have no idea what you mean by "people like you" comment.
I didn't mean anything by it. Just people who don't like show. I'll rephrase it.
I like the show, but disliked the massive changes it brought to established lore.
Take care in using the NuTrek standard ST09, STID, STB, STP, STLD abbreviations with a certain other show on this forum.
I think about half of STLD is nice... just takes a while to become consistently good. PRODIGY I find legit great. SNW... well I just can't get over the tone/continuity problems with it, so found its first season to be harder to watch than that of the just canceled show.
And this season is insanely good.
This BBS seems to overrepresent the pro-DISCOVERY section of the fanbase. There's also Reddit, YouTube, podcasts, and Twitter if you need to come for air now and then.
One possibility is that people that disliked it would have gradually dropped off. I think for many Star Trek fans, the idea of ~not~ watching a ST series would seem like a very strange concept to them. One reason so many people end up hating DISCOVERY is that they stuck around for too long -- pretty much hate watching it, then hit their final breaking point that made them walk away.
Part of it is the different series' release methods. VGR was commissioned by UPN, who wouldn't have wanted many potential viewers to be alienated if the politics were too one sided and heavy handed -- so structurally it had to target a much broader market. Plus it had to meet FCC regulations. Whereas DISCOVERY was commissioned for streaming, had money coming in for Netflix for its first three seasons, and was willing to target much more narrow demographic segments, even if in doing so it was structurally divisive to many in the potential viewing audience.Voyager lasted 7 years and was tradional Trek, the fact ST
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