Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Tuskin38, Sep 28, 2019.
If you're going to play that game, then here's mine: No ENT, no Kelvin Films.
Star Trek ends in 2001/2002 with VOY/NEM, and then picks up again in 2017 with DSC. Disco runs seven seasons (still 2017-2024, but without the gaps), PIC runs five (every year from 2019 to 2023), and we'd get a Titan spin-off in 2024.
That would be perfection. If it were possible to pick and choose realities. But it's not.
Well, not quite "perfection". I don't really like Nemesis, but it's necessary backstory for PIC Season 1...
So much failure they renewed it for another four seasons and gave it a spin-off.
It's like how I failed every performance review at my new job for the past 4 years and then they promoted me.
That's how that works, right?
You know that STD is Kurtzman's favourite daughter. He wanted at least 7 seasons. It colapsed. Deserved. Five season is too much but that's it.
You've just made all that up.
He's a lawyer spinning his case.
That's some nice manure being shoveled there. Perfect for my garden.
A failing show doesn't get five seasons, especially not an expensive niche genre show. You might not like Discovery, but it didn't fail. It gave us current Trek outputs. It lasted 5 seasons.
Hatred usually is.
Switching back to PIC, Patrick Stewart didn't want to do another TNG Movie. He didn't warm up to the idea until after the first season. Even here, in the third season, they're only getting the old crew back together slowly. PIC Season 3 is still the same series more than some people would like to admit.
And some people will be horrified to hear this, but PIC is really DSC with a TNG Movie skin. I hate to break it to you. It's still the same book, but with a different cover, and a lot of you fell for it because you can't see it. If you only like PIC Season 3, all it does is prove to me you had the biases I always suspected.
So maybe you all who fall under this category should give the other stuff another chance, except this time actually be serious about it.
I don't see the DSC in it. Help me out here, please.
Not sure a show that went 5 seasons on a streaming platform can be called a “failed experiment”. We’re seeing a return of classic characters, but not the old format of storytelling. Picard is very much in keeping with Discovery in that regard and in how it’s filmed.
Cite your sources. Otherwise, this would be considered an opinion. Which is fine. Just stop touting it as fact.
Correct. I don't see river of tears in season 3 of Picard so it's nothing like STD.
Same general aesthetic, similar tone, similar level of stakes, serialization, the main characters are initially doubted and have to prove themselves or otherwise save the day...
Is that the best you got? A lame reference to crying?
Exactly so. The filming style, storytelling and emphasis on specific characters, rather than an ensemble all stands out as part of DSC's general tone. The stakes are always high, and the personal emotions are very raw.
Actually, what it is is cognitive dissonance. We have to distance the thing we like from the thing we don't like rather than accepting that sometimes a new thing is OK, and it's OK to like it even when it's new.
What I see in Picard Season 3 is proof of what I long suspected. That as long as the characters are familiar names, and the graphics are close enough (LCARS) characters can act like 21st century people without question.
Nothing wrong with the same overall, I do see it, its just the writing, Picard s1 and s2 were horrible, Disco season 3 and 4 were also not good to me. But, Picard S3, and Disco S2 mainly, when your hot, you hot, doesn't matter that the shows have the same tone etc. I'd expect it to since Tng, Ds9, Voyager, Enterprise also had the same tone in one way or the other.
Not only that there are no rivers of tears, but also interior of Titan is not big empty larger than Borg Cube. That stupidity is something epic. So PIC season 3 is nothing like STD.
Pff. Won’t deny how ridiculous the turbos on Disco are but still… if that and crying are your big argument? Wow. I can think of bigger issues with the show and I like Disco.
Which goes to show that the aesthetic is not that important as the writing. That you can deal with themes of trauma, and emotion, and all that shows have done and been successful with and less successful with if you have solid writing.
Which has been my point of view the whole time. The complaints around uniforms, or ship designs, or prop designs, or interfaces are secondary and tertiary to writing and characters. If the characters don't work, by all means share that and I hope you find a Trek that does. But, that doesn't make the uniforms bad, stupid, or whatever pejorative people can think of. Just say "Not my cup of tea." And stop making the same cup of tea and complaining that it's not your cup of tea!
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