Disagree. I thought the Replicators were overdone, but the worst enemies were the Lucian Alliance.
Talk about lame... they were like human versions of the Kazon.
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Disagree. I thought the Replicators were overdone, but the worst enemies were the Lucian Alliance.
Talk about lame... they were like human versions of the Kazon.
Disagree. One makes sense and one is overpowered.
The Lucian Alliance's big plan to take over planets... was to use evil Orville Redenbacher?
And then have members try to kill Netan to take over leadership? While that had shades of the Goa'uld, it definitely reminded me of the Kazon with their sects... and frankly, their stupidity. (Look at what happened to the guy who captured the Odyssey in "COMPANY OF THIEVES"... beamed into space. He was not that smart.)
The Lucian Alliance was a joke.
And? Being a joke doesn't make it make less sense.
And is far better than the Replicators.
Never said they didn't make sense. Just that they were the worst villains. They were the worst because they were such a joke... much like how the Kazon were a joke in VOYAGER.
Overpowered villains like the Replicators are worse to me. I'd take the Kazon over the Borg too.
The Replicators, like the Borg, were way overdone. I do agree that overpowered can be problematic, but the main issue of an overpowered villain is beating them repeatedly.
Though I have to say, taking the Kazon over the Borg is probably a controversial STAR TREK opinion. As much as I hated the overuse of the Borg, I would take them over the Kazon because at least the Borg have the terror of assimilation in their nature. (At least, until the "UNIMATRIX ZERO" two-parter... precisely why I HATE those episodes.)
Not every villain has to be vicious or terrifying.
No. But they should at least be interesting.
The Lucian Alliance, like the Kazon, were NOT interesting.
*shrugs * Mileage definitely varies. I enjoyed them.
Fair point. Different strokes for different folks.
If we're talking about the metal bug Replicators, strong disagree. If we're talking about the human Replicators...well, still disagree, but not as strongly.
The SG franchise was at its best when it had a team of likable characters working together (with minor internal conflict) to solve a problem. It was generally at its worst when it tried to write villain characters. As such the best SG team antagonists were natural disasters, manufactured disasters, tech breakdowns, or other impersonal forces, which was a bit of problem because Stargate is an action franchise and they also need something to shoot at.
The Replicators are the perfect SG antagonists because they have no personalities and don't suffer from "Ming the Merciless" writing. They're written like a natural disaster, but give our heroes something to unload endless P90 rounds at. They're realized through cool VFX, but are simple enough to pull off on a TV budget. They're threatening but not directly dangerous to humans, giving the main characters plenty of latitude to solve problems. And I think they look neat.
There's only so much endless Goa'uld and/or Wraith speechifying I can take, so when I feel like rewatching an SG-1 or Atlantis episode, I tend to gravitate towards the Replicator episodes.
I can't stand the Replicators. Painful, repetitive and boring.
Oh man yeah..the human replicators were a huge shark jump. It was not well done at all. The bug ones were fine…a nice contrast to the Goauld. I remember when the bug replicators first showed up you knew it was serious because even the Asgard couldn’t do anything about them. It was also interesting at first because one of the whole points of the show was to ask the question, “if this were real would humanity be in over its head?” With the goauld the answer a huge yes at first but then we got our shit together a bit….and then the replicators come and all the advancing humans had done was for the goauld threat and thus was totally unprepared for a different kind of threat. But it was diminishing returns with each appearance and the human ones were just bad all around.
The Wraith weren't all that impressive as an adversary either. Another "hive-based" species...
The Wraith felt like the writers got into a room and said "uhhhh....we need a villain and it needs to be scarier than the goauld and we need it done by lunch."
I like the Wraith, though they got very strange as time went on. The make up was cool though.
The Borg are basically Trek's Daleks. They're popular, they're constantly defeated but they'll constantly be back. Sometimes it'll be just a few drones wreaking havoc, sometimes en masse, and other times with a desperate, dying leader trying to reclaim their species' glory days.
Personally I'm waiting on the multi-colored Paradigm Borg to make their debut.
Personally I'm waiting on the multi-colored Paradigm Borg to make their debut.
The appeal of the Borg was never their power, or how indomitable or inscrutable they are--or at least, it shouldn't have been. That's a weird fan perception/nostalgia thing that has sadly endured for decades. The appeal of the Borg should be what they are; what they represent.
It's Shives and I know he's an acquired taste to put it very mildly, but he has an excellent take on the Prequel appearance of the Borg and why it works in this one case when most of the rest of their appearances get it wrong.
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