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eschaton said:
I was thinking that it's a bit funny how Seven and Raffi's relationship effectively "reset" a second time between seasons. This means that you could almost forget Season 2 happened entirely, and things make just as much sense.
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I was thinking the same thing. (Unless Seven leaving her is just part of the cover story, they'd have left the interesting parts in between seasons and all or most of what we got was the bickering in between!) Same as other major developments between s1 and 2, like everyone returning to SF.

The only thing you'd really need to watch Season 2 to understand is what the hell happened to Zaban, and why was Picard with Laris. Otherwise it seems to have fallen down a memory hole.
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And technically, did I miss something or were Picard and Laris not even together at the end of s1? He wouldn't commit and she got out of Dodge.

Oh well, we'll fill in the blanks.
 
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I like persnickety Captain Shaw and his liking for classical music and order. I hope he isn’t killed off. I’d hate to work for him but he did have the audacity to assign an Admiral and a Captain to sleep in bunk beds.

I also like Beverly Crusher’s opening fight scene. I’m confused about the age of the son she locked in the hatch. If it’s 2407, he could be about 27 or 28. If Beverly experienced rejuvenation from her time on the planet in the movies, it’s possible it could have been a spontaneous conception in her 50s and he is Jean-Luc’s son. It’s also possible that she and her late husband had some embryos on ice and she decided to thaw one and have Jack’s child since she has effectively lost Wesley. Given the name on the suitcase on her ship, the son’s name is also Jack R. Crusher.

It is also nice to see that Jean-Luc Picard and Laris are in a relationship. If Beverly cut him off more than 20 years ago and had a child without telling him, it wasn’t much of a romance. I’ll enjoy seeing them hash it out and Picard’s interactions with her son, but I hope he stays with Laris.

Raffi apparently has some contact with her son since she has video of her granddaughter. The girl could be anywhere from three to six, which might suggest the passage of time. She and Seven could be together or they might have split up.

Commander Annika Hansen apparently regrets joining Starfleet, probably with good reason. She’ll either be Captain of the Titan or in the brig at some point.

The villain apparently has something to do with the Romulans. Maybe there’s a grudge against Rachel Garrett since she attacked the statue unveiling ceremony. A former Talshiar operative called the Red Lady was recently killed by her father according to the computer news feed Raffi got, which probably will be important later. I wonder if this will turn out to have something to do with a surviving crew member of the USS Enterprise C who was captured by Romulans and blames Picard and his crew.

i don’t have any interest in the various ships except the hints it gives about the plot and the characters. Too many ships in the credits for too long.
 
I gave this episode a 7, which based on my post yesterday, I'm intregued by what is to come but this episode was severely overhyped.

I still think it's incredibly dark as there were scenes that were just hard to see overall. It was nice to see Stewart and Frakes together for an extended amount, but I'm worried when Riker said that Deanna and Kestra wanted to be away from him. It's almost like this episode was like the All Good Things future amped up to about an 8. Riker is having family issues, Beverly and Picard hasn't seen each other for 20 years, and I have a feeling we will have more sad backstory for the rest of the crew.

How is Shaw a captain? The treatment 7 has gotten in Picard to speak to racism just feels so disconnected from what Trek did before, almost like we're watching a real mirror universe. I don't think even Jellico was this hard ass and that is saying something. Also, they painted 7 a bit weak here. I really wish they would have taken what 7 had done in the Delta Quadrant and the Rangers and used that to make her stronger. I don't think the 7 we saw in Voyager would have taken any crap from Shaw and almost maybe had punched him.

This episode was a nice start to the season but I would say it's slightly weaker than Stargazer. Of course after the first 2 episodes of Season 2 that was when my issues with the season began so I'm cautiously optimistic here, especially since Matalas has been involved for the entire season. I did like hearing the first contact and movie themes again at the end. I'm hoping they become something of the opening credits for the rest of the season. It's a streaming show, you can have opening credits. You don't need to be like Lost or 24 and just show a title card.
 
tomalak301 said:
I gave this episode a 7, which based on my post yesterday, I'm intregued by what is to come but this episode was severely overhyped.
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To be precise, I don't think this particular episode was ever hyped. The hype has been for the season in general and from reviewers who got early screenings of the first 6 eps. A lot of people have been saying S3 is fantastic and way better than S1 and S2. And people have hyped up the first 6 eps.

How is Shaw a captain? The treatment 7 has gotten in Picard to speak to racism just feels so disconnected from what Trek did before, almost like we're watching a real mirror universe. I don't think even Jellico was this hard ass and that is saying something. Also, they painted 7 a bit weak here. I really wish they would have taken what 7 had done in the Delta Quadrant and the Rangers and used that to make her stronger. I don't think the 7 we saw in Voyager would have taken any crap from Shaw and almost maybe had punched him.
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Seven does seem to suggest that Shaw is not treating her right. I do wonder if Seven will resign her commission. She does not seem happy in Starfleet. Or maybe she will see the wisdom in what Picard told her and stay but transfer to a different ship.

I don't think if she is weak though. She stood up to Picard and demanded answers. She also disobeyed Shaw's direct orders and took the ship to the coordinates Picard wanted which is a court martial offense.
 
Romulan_spy said:
To be precise, I don't think this particular episode was ever hyped. The hype has been for the season in general and from reviewers who got early screenings of the first 6 eps. A lot of people have been saying S3 is fantastic and way better than S1 and S2. And people have hyped up the first 6 eps.



Seven does seem to suggest that Shaw is not treating her right. I do wonder if Seven will resign her commission. She does not seem happy in Starfleet. Or maybe she will see the wisdom in what Picard told her and stay but transfer to a different ship.

I don't think if she is weak though. She stood up to Picard and demanded answers. She also disobeyed Shaw's direct orders and took the ship to the coordinates Picard wanted which is a court martial offense.
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I said she seemed weak because of the Annika Hanson scene. I still don't think she would have taken that crap on Voyager, but here you can tell how distraught she is. I do agree that she finally took matters into her own hands (probably got motivated because Picard was there and she did say she was speaking to Picard as a friend), but I don't see her in Starfleet very long if the first episode is anything to go by.

As for the episode being overhyped, the premiere last week showed the first 2 episodes. People were really hyping up those first two episodes, saying this is the best Trek in 20 years. I don't see it yet with this first episode. I also said I'm intrigued by what it to come, but unlike the Media and those that attended the premiere, I'm like everyone else who has to wait each week to watch. I can only judge one episode at a time.
 
tomalak301 said:
I said she seemed weak because of the Annika Hanson scene. I still don't think she would have taken that crap on Voyager, but here you can tell how distraught she is. I do agree that she finally took matters into her own hands (probably got motivated because Picard was there and she did say she was speaking to Picard as a friend), but I don't see her in Starfleet very long if the first episode is anything to go by.
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It did seem like Shaw was putting her down during the dinner scene. That is why I said, he is not treating her right. He does not seem to respect her. Maybe he does not like that she is ex-Borg or maybe they have had some personality clashes before because of how Seven likes to do her own thing and so he tries to put her in her place.

From the dialogue, Seven was not 100% sure about joining Starfleet. She only joined because Picard and Janeway, two mentors she trusts, basically pushed her into it. So yeah, I could see Seven resigning her commission and going back to the Rangers. She just might not suited for the command structure of Starfleet since she likes to do her own thing. Heck, she was terrible and following the chain of command on Voyager so it is consistent with her character.
 
Romulan_spy said:
Seven does seem to suggest that Shaw is not treating her right. I do wonder if Seven will resign her commission. She does not seem happy in Starfleet. Or maybe she will see the wisdom in what Picard told her and stay but transfer to a different ship.

I don't think if she is weak though. She stood up to Picard and demanded answers. She also disobeyed Shaw's direct orders and took the ship to the coordinates Picard wanted which is a court martial offense.
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There's more than a suggestion there; Shaw's behavior toward Seven is inexcusable. But yeah, I don't think Seven was weak, just conflicted and without a great frame of reference for her situation. She doesn't have much sense of what "normal" ship operations are supposed to be like, and I doubt the fast track to command helped with that. She does know it's normal for her to be on edge around most non-xBs. To an extent, she may have accepted that she was supposed to be uncomfortable in her situation and needed to acclimate to it. I think Picard's arrival helped Seven put some things into perspective - how little she values the Starfleet career that Shaw seems so proud of, and the complete failure on her CO's part to merit any of her respect. Hence taking the opportunity to (potentially) rid herself of one while flipping off the other. I figure she'll come around on Starfleet as the season goes on, though.
 
bookworm8571 said:
I also like Beverly Crusher’s opening fight scene. I’m confused about the age of the son she locked in the hatch. If it’s 2407, he could be about 27 or 28. If Beverly experienced rejuvenation from her time on the planet in the movies, it’s possible it could have been a spontaneous conception in her 50s and he is Jean-Luc’s son. It’s also possible that she and her late husband had some embryos on ice and she decided to thaw one and have Jack’s child since she has effectively lost Wesley. Given the name on the suitcase on her ship, the son’s name is also Jack R. Crusher.
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If it's the 250th anniversary of the founding of the Federation itself, 2411 would need to be the year assuming 2161 is the correct founding year.
 
Lord Garth said:
I think I might be a bit behind when they drop the episode. I'm re-watching all the TOS Movies and Scotty just beamed up the whales.

Think I should skip TFF?
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Definitely, IMHO. You know what they say about opinions, though. You'll have to be the arbiter for yourself. In my head-canon, Trek V just never happened.
 
Well, it was nice - the scenes with Laris were fantastic, especially, and Frakes and Stewart work so well together, and I loved Shaw - so many reviews have talked highly of him, so i presume he isn't dying (at least not in the first six). Also so many nostalgic touches, be it music, or okudagrams, or so on.

However, some of it felt unnecessary - the attack at the Rachel Garrett statue building etc especially; an admiral and a fleet captain on bunk beds rather than a suitable suite; the long ship flybys and leaving space dock; etc. But the attack especially (and the "intelligence" scenes on the with Raffi preceeding it) just didn't work, although I'm trying to work out why - it just felt so contextless.

I'm still struggling to understand why we lost the wonderful Stargazer for the Titan-A - that was a lovely ship, but the interiors kinda feel identical to this one (they redressed the sets?). Excited for the new characters, but also missing Rios and the others - the scenes with Laris made me really miss the worldbuilding and characters, if not the issues, of past seasons. I am finding it so weird there is no follow on to the Borg things from the end of S2 (unless Shaw's borgophobia is connected with that), although I was intrigued by the many Romulan allusions in this episode - S1's work with the Romulans was actually really good, and i suddenly felt very nostalgic for seasons I had very hot and cold reactions to.
 
Jedi Marso said:
Definitely, IMHO. You know what they say about opinions, though. You'll have to be the arbiter for yourself. In my head-canon, Trek V just never happened.
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Too late, I watched all six, and still had about 10-ish minutes to spare before the episode dropped on Paramount+. ;)

I think I finally know why I chose the username "Lord Garth". It didn't have anything to do with teenage me thinking the name was cool -- well partly it did -- no, I chose it because sub-consciously, I know I'm insane!

I can barely stay awake right now...
 
Am I correct that Picard doesn't have access to an AR wall like Disco and SNW, because Picard doesn't shoot in Canada? If I'm not just making that up -- I enjoy what a different feel that gives this show, with the environments being so much more practical.

I chuckled at the throwback experience of thinking a Guinan appearance was coming, then being disappointed it was just a random Ten Forward worker instead. I remember that sensation from back in the day!
 
Say 9.5/10, so I have to round up. I'd already had 80% of the episode spoiled, so it's hard to come at it completely clean. I actually liked "The Star Gazer" a bit better, but this just makes it the second best Star Trek I've seen since "In a Mirror, Darkly". It's not perfect, but I'm very happy!

Look, the teaser really was too damn dark... at first. Likely this is because the Paramount+ usage of Dolby Vision with 1080p just isn't that well encoded. I used my Amazon Fire Stick with the Paramount+ app instead of the Sony TV app, disabled HDR and DV, and then was able to force my custom settings into working again... so now I could view Beverly seeing the assailant's reflection in the canister and the Easter egg props, and was off to the races.

Matalas already has two planets named after him from ENT... maybe there's a connection? Or just the VFX guys making an Easter egg.

I would have appreciated a full Disco-exorcism from the audio and visuals. While the warp tunnel is a decent compromise, I can't stand that warp blip sound. But at least I didn't see any lens flares!

Some thoughts on the credits...
  • Great they were able to get the For Annie dedication in on short notice
  • Akiva Goldsman is still listed as an executive producer, but Terry is now listed as outranking him
  • No credit at all for Michael Chabon... I was expecting some kind of creative/executive consultant credit as he co-created the show, but he's gone gone
  • Kirsten Beyer is listed as a co-executive producer, but has no season 3 writing credits
  • Jason Zimmerman is still the lead VFX guy, and Neville Page from ST09 onward looks to still the lead makeup designer
 
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