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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"

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Yes, Picard was resurrected in the android golem. He's now an android, albeit with an aging chip and finite lifespan and no android abilities.

You could make the argument that Picard is dead and the android is one that just has Picard's memories and personalities and believes he's Picard. I guess it doesn't make much difference to anyone else as the android would act the way Picard would.

According to Chabon, the golem was organically grown. So just a thought, does that make him more like a clone with cybernetic enhancements rather than a synth, per se? Which is ironic, given that he has PTSD from his time as a Borg, but he is now effectively a cyborg! :lol:
 
He had already died once. He seemed accepting of that fate and his mortality. We have no idea what Data or his memories or his shadow had experienced while in limbo. So, as Data would note the experience of time is much different for him than others.

That's poor writing then. We shouldn't have to guess. If that's true, then there should have been some dialogue to the effect of Data saying that he's experienced a long time. But that said, it's not human to simply accept death if there is a chance to live.

That's a push too far in the opposite direction. Nuclear implies a hierarchy. There's no reason to have a designated head of a family for it to function. Nor does a family need to stay together. The issue is abandonment of the responsibility of children, not loss of particular family structures.

Not exactly. A nuclear family has parents and children. If parents are the hierarchy, then so be it. That's actually natural. While families certainly can exist and be fine without two parents, and a divorced family can figure out a way to both do well by the children, I think we both can agree that abandonment of children is wrong. However, that's been shown to happen in Star Trek regardless of race.

We haven't seen too many good parents.

Today's statistics reflect current socio-economic status and who's disenfranchised, and disenfranchised people suffer in higher percentages than those in the majority. There's no "race" which is more prone to such problems, but many segments of the culture treat socio-economic status and the negative consequences of it as somehow endemic to the group in question.

Any piece of art is not only about what it is but about when it is made. The show is played to a 21st century audience, so what matters is how it fits into and reinforces or goes against the context of current societal perceptions.

Are you trying to say that poor people abandon their kids? Ultimately, there is a problem with parents and kids, and to ignore that because it might make people uncomfortable is not going to help anyone. Ultimately though, I don't think too many people who fit the stereotype you are upset over are watching Star Trek Picard.

I actually think that showing a strong family is actually important, especially due to stereotypes of people of color. If I were making a show with a family, I would want two strong parents who give a damn about their kids. One of the best TV fathers of all time, who doesn't get anywhere near enough credit, is James Evans Sr. That character is a shining example of a good father, regardless of race.

But at the same time, the real world has many examples of bad parents. Showing one is not offensive.
 
That's poor writing then. We shouldn't have to guess. If that's true, then there should have been some dialogue to the effect of Data saying that he's experienced a long time. But that said, it's not human to simply accept death if there is a chance to live.
That's not a guess. That's based simply on past Trek.

What were the options in countless other situations he faced throughout his life/career?

Did quitting ever go through his mind?
Quitting is always an option. Even Q references that in "Q Who." The fact that Picard hasn't ever doesn't mean he isn't capable of doing so.
 
"Capable of doing so" doesn't mean quitting is in character either.
Under normal circumstances, all things being equal, I would agree. But, for me, watching Picard go through challenge after challenge, and difficulty after difficulty, I think Data and Starfleet's not willing to go forward would be the last straw.

It might be out of character for Picard in TNG. I think it is completely reasonable for post NEM Picard.
 
Under normal circumstances, all things being equal, I would agree. But, for me, watching Picard go through challenge after challenge, and difficulty after difficulty, I think Data and Starfleet's not willing to go forward would be the last straw.

It might be out of character for Picard in TNG. I think it is completely reasonable for post NEM Picard.

Agree to disagree.
 
We went down, fought with his brother, gathered himself and reported back to duty.

Here's the thing, how long did it take for the star to explode afterward? It's not like it was an ongoing mistake. Picard resigned and then the star blew up like a month later.

The issue was "resolved" then.

Also, didn't Picard try to assemble a Dunkirk-esque fleet in the backstory? It just didn't do nearly as much.
 
What were the options in countless other situations he faced throughout his life/career?

Did quitting ever go through his mind?

I'm talking about after he resigned. The gamble was that they wouldn't accept it. Once they did, what was left? I suppose he could have gone onto whatever the Federation equivalent of MSNBC is and start denouncing tcurrent policy right away, instead of leaving this until we see it happen in-show. It's a big ask, and I don't see it as likely to produce anything useful.

And you blatantly ducked my question. Yeah, I already knew you've got nothing, but I thought that should be pointed out for the record.

Edit: like I said in another thread, I suppose we could have had a failure montage, watching Picard trying a whole bunch of increasingly-unlikely courses of action to try to get things reversed. Would that have worked for you? I think it would have just slowed the show down, but I wouldn't have been bothered by it much.
 
I'm talking about after he resigned. The gamble was that they wouldn't accept it. Once they did, what was left? I suppose he could have gone onto whatever the Federation equivalent of MSNBC is and start denouncing tcurrent policy right away, instead of leaving this until we see it happen in-show. It's a big ask, and I don't see it as likely to produce anything useful.

I think Picard probably did try to get civilian spaceships to rescue Romulans but if he saved, say, 10,000 that's going to feel like a drop in the bucket compared to 900,000,000. Remember he apparently did save some since he relocated those Romulans to the Samurai Planet and he has his refugee servants.
 
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