When 94 years you reach, look as good you will not.
Old codger you will be
*narrows eyes*
You will be.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"
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When 94 years you reach, look as good you will not.
Old codger you will be
*narrows eyes*
You will be.
I like both, though TLJ had more flaws.
What were you expecting him to do differently there? Double down with arguments that have already failed?
The reason Picard took it, was because Clancy was right. He quit on them when the chips were down, then threw them under the bus.
Mixing metaphors
Fifteen yards and a loss of down.
That's hockey, right?
Field hockey.
Is that the one where the players all run around in circles and move along home ?
No, in hockey he's get a Double Minor Major. And then play would be called for a hand pass. And the goal disallowed because of a clear kicking motion. Or a sticky wicket.
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It's a stretch to have his resignation seem like a bad thing, given that he was staking his career on a stand for what most people watching would think was the morally right thing to do. Resignation by ministers or military brass in the face of policy decisions and orders that they cannot accept is not an unusual thing and not an example of hubris.
If he stays on in Starfleet, the Romulans will still not be saved, and the synth ban would still be in effect. 14 years later Clancy still thinks it was the right thing to do. She may not like what he said in the interview, but how was what he said wrong? Retired Admirals and Generals in our world routinely take jobs as TV and media pundits giving their views on National Security matters, and this does include criticism of the policies of the current government.
Granted they never mention names of Federation Presidents and Federation Council members. There is just things like "Starfleet" referred to. A Trump like President would have helped. The Federation is not a military dictatorship. These policy changes would have been made by the Federation govt, not a room full of Admirals.
If he stays on in Starfleet, the Romulans will still not be saved, and the synth ban would still be in effect. 14 years later Clancy still thinks it was the right thing to do. She may not like what he said in the interview, but how was what he said wrong? Retired Admirals and Generals in our world routinely take jobs as TV and media pundits giving their views on National Security matters, and this does include criticism of the policies of the current government.
Granted they never mention names of Federation Presidents and Federation Council members. There is just things like "Starfleet" referred to. A Trump like President would have helped. The Federation is not a military dictatorship. These policy changes would have been made by the Federation govt, not a room full of Admirals.
Exactly. It is already clear, that even after everything that had happened over the previous 14 years, Clancy still wasnt budging an inch from the stances that he had resigned over. It may have also finally dawned on him, that since Federation and Starfleet complicity was suspected here, that telling Clancy all about this was not a good idea as, Laris and Raffi were about to remind him.
Imagine Kirk going to Admiral Cartwright about his suspicions that Federation and Starfleet officials were conspiring with Klingon elements to sabotage the prospects for peace. Picard should have treated Clancy, and everyone else who was so adamant about shutting this down, with some suspicion. Maybe that is why it was shut down so quickly and completely.
He could kick the system from inside better than outside, he didn't. He thought the system would bend because he was right and everyone else was wrong. It didn't bend or care that he walked. He could have gone to Vashti and made that apology fourteen years ago, the Romulans might have listened, at least found some respect in his resignation. He didn't do that.
He walked away from everything. Fourteen years later he pops up in the admiralty office and says give me a ship and a crew because I'm Jean-Luc Picard.
Yeah, that's fucking hubris. The stuff the gods come down on you for or in this case his conscience which is only starting to appreciate what a colossal self-impressed dick he was back in the day.
He walked away from everything. Fourteen years later he pops up in the admiralty office and says give me a ship and a crew because I'm Jean-Luc Picard.
Yeah, that's fucking hubris. The stuff the gods come down on you for or in this case his conscience which is only starting to appreciate what a colossal self-impressed dick he was back in the day.
Kirk was turned down for far less than walking away from Starfleet for 14 years and then coming back with a demand for a ship. Kirk was a decorated hero and sitting Admiral who'd just defeated a revived Augment tyrant from Earth's 20th century and only wanted to take the Enterprise to go find his best friend's body and retrieve it - and he was shut down and hard. What can we expect from Clancy when Admiral Morrow basically told Kirk to forget about rescuing his own friend from a newborn planet?
She did what a lot of other Admirals would do and with even less provocation to tell off a lower-ranking officer.
She did what a lot of other Admirals would do and with even less provocation to tell off a lower-ranking officer.
No, it's not a matter of #notmypicard. That is Picard alright.
The Fed Govt would have made the decision to ban synths and end the Romulan rescue plan, not Starfleet. If they wanted this to reflect on Trump and Brexit, a Trump like President would have helped. Most people resigning from the Trump administration are not accused of "hubris". That's because there is no reason to see it that way. It's a common occurrence in the face of policies they cannot accept. Dont agree? That's fine. Everyone is free to disagree.
That was a rambling mess.
I'm shocked!
I agree. But I dont think the reactions are similar. I dont think the changes in Picard are similar to Luke. Picard is not saying Starfleet or the Federation should end. Luke did think the Jedi should end. And that struck many fans as being a more jarring and inexplicable change in the character. Picard still seems like Picard. He still believes in the same basic ideals. And Picard is trying to get others involved to help him, whereas Luke is resisting the call to action.
