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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"

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I hope so. If I have one criticism of PIC it's that the show continuously rubs Picard's (and our) nose in his failure. It's fine to have him fail, but it's a little repetitive right now. I do hope that he can find a way do dust himself off and emerge triumphant. That would be compelling!
It's very, very early. The rules of StreamVision require long, slow buildups to an insane crescendo, followed by a cliffhanger that keeps you hungering for more.
There's a comparison to a real life activity to be made here.... but I'll let someone else handle that one.
 
Its all about showing us Picard when everything has gone wrong and no one will listen to him any more.

When he has had his authority, power, influence and belief in Starfleet & the Federation stripped away, what exactly is left.

An Emperor with no clothes, doubting himself and everything he has ever believed in.

After the truth has come crashing down and all is ashes.

What is he going to do about it, what can he do about it, what does he have left to give and what is he willing to lose.

Maybe that's what the writers wanted to convey but I just don't find the story up to now to do this in a satisfying way. Picard at this point should have the air of an elder statesman who's been forced out to pasture but instead often comes across as a dottering old codger. I feel there is an element of fundamental dignity that is missing in this characterization of Picard.
 
Maybe that's what the writers wanted to convey but I just don't find the story up to now to do this in a satisfying way. Picard at this point should have the air of an elder statesman who's been forced out to pasture but instead often comes across as a dottering old codger. I feel there is an element of fundamental dignity that is missing in this characterization of Picard.

where would he get that aura from after being booted out?
 
It's very, very early. The rules of StreamVision require long, slow buildups to an insane crescendo, followed by a cliffhanger that keeps you hungering for more.
There's a comparison to a real life activity to be made here.... but I'll let someone else handle that one.

Lets just hope the build up is worth it.
 
Maybe that's what the writers wanted to convey but I just don't find the story up to now to do this in a satisfying way. Picard at this point should have the air of an elder statesman who's been forced out to pasture but instead often comes across as a dottering old codger. I feel there is an element of fundamental dignity that is missing in this characterization of Picard.
yes he should have that aura. yet, life happens and sometimes it is not fair. after quitting Starfleet all chances for that aura are gone, even writing books about history didn't help matters.
 
It's very, very early. The rules of StreamVision require long, slow buildups to an insane crescendo, followed by a cliffhanger that keeps you hungering for more.
There's a comparison to a real life activity to be made here.... but I'll let someone else handle that one.
football?
 
Maybe that's what the writers wanted to convey but I just don't find the story up to now to do this in a satisfying way. Picard at this point should have the air of an elder statesman who's been forced out to pasture but instead often comes across as a dottering old codger. I feel there is an element of fundamental dignity that is missing in this characterization of Picard.

What reason does he have to be dignified? His career is forgotten, he has no role in shaping the future of Starfleet, his biggest project was a failure, he is exiled to a random corner of France, he has no cards left to play and is desperately trying to have some positive impact on the future before he succumbs to Irrumodic Syndrome.
Not much room for dignity there.
 
yes he should have that aura. yet, life happens and sometimes it is not fair. after quitting Starfleet all chances for that aura are gone, even writing books about history didn't help matters.
Yeah and I think that's what bothers me about it...the impetus for Picard's fall, that whole set up just simply does not have the kind of gravitas that would break a guy who survived being assimilated by the borg and declared himself the commander of the fleet in a combat zone to defeat them. I guess it just doesn't ring true to me, i don't know.....
 
Yeah and I think that's what bothers me about it...the impetus for Picard's fall, that whole set up just simply does not have the kind of gravitas that would break a guy who survived being assimilated by the borg and declared himself the commander of the fleet in a combat zone to defeat them. I guess it just doesn't ring true to me, i don't know.....
he was a lot younger then. i also don't recall him threatening retirement to the collective.
 
Yeah and I think that's what bothers me about it...the impetus for Picard's fall, that whole set up just simply does not have the kind of gravitas that would break a guy who survived being assimilated by the borg and declared himself the commander of the fleet in a combat zone to defeat them. I guess it just doesn't ring true to me, i don't know.....
believe me, greater men like him became way more pathetic late in their lives and the higher one rises, you know the story
 
What reason does he have to be dignified? His career is forgotten, he has no role in shaping the future of Starfleet, his biggest project was a failure, he is exiled to a random corner of France, he has no cards left to play and is desperately trying to have some positive impact on the future before he succumbs to Irrumodic Syndrome.
Not much room for dignity there.
Again it's the setup for this that seems weak from a story perspective. That Picard would gamble his career on this in the first place seems somewhat unrealistic because it implies that he was trying to punk Starfleet and they pulled his punk card. In other words he had no backup plan - he misjudged so badly that he had no idea they'd accept his resignation? That just seems inordinately incompetent. He wasn't sidelined - he sidelined himself within the organization because he failed to read the political tea leaves....
 
Starfleet REJECTED him, they ACCEPTED his resignation. In the moment, in the crucible, he was disposable, a has been who did not warrant their attention. That would destroy a man, that is for sure.

@zenophite - he overvalued himself. Happens to a lot of people. His entire ego was crushed in one moment, and his closest ally was also sent packing.
Makes sense to me.
 
he was a lot younger then. i also don't recall him threatening retirement to the collective.
Well, they did have a good healthcare plan....sort of.

believe me, greater men like him became way more pathetic late in their lives and the higher one rises, you know the story

Believe me I get it. I don't have a problem with the fact that he might be a dottering old codger who's been broken or whatever - I just wish the backstory that leads him to it had more substance, more weight. To me it seems like a hastily or shoddily concocted contrivance...
 
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