I don't think the show was subtle about why Picard didn't want to ask them. He's already motivated by his guilt, so adding to it by imposing on his old friends wasn't going to sit well with him.
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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"
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I don't think the show was subtle about why Picard didn't want to ask them. He's already motivated by his guilt, so adding to it by imposing on his old friends wasn't going to sit well with him.
You are not very good at understanding stories and motivations, are you? It is pretty clear. Picard has been lamenting the death of Data for twenty years. How did Data die? He sacrificed himself to save Picard. This is the exact situation JL wants to avoid. He doesn't want anyone who would do that. All of this is told in the show pretty clearly if you're not being intentionally obtuse.
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Who calls him "Alex the BrainGenius?" Other than you, of course?
I suspect you might have found the problem here
Picard only asked Rios to go and that by paying him. All the others came of their own volition. He didn't ask the old crew because they didn't make this fucked up situation. It's not their problem. He doesn't want to make it their problem.
If you payed any attention to the show that has been laid out plainly.
The name of the show should have been your first clue. Picard
It is about him and his choices, not TNG s8.
No matter how many times you say it, that didn't happen in the show. Picard only asked Rios. All the others are tag alongs with their own reasons to go with Picard.
So he wants people to die that he doesnt give a F about? Think about what you are saying here. "I care about Worf...if he were to die...that would be awful!!...Oh but this Romulan orphan kid...I can live with him getting killed!".
Yeah, Longinus...definitely NOT a dick move.
The underlying logic is sound. It would have been a good idea to ask the old Enterprise crew--which is why the Romulan guy suggested it. Picard chose not to do so for a perfectly valid reason. This isn't a man full of confidence and purpose--he's all angsty and guilt-ridden.
Harry Treadaway played Dr. Frakenstein in Penny Dreadful.I don't know. I never heard of any of them prior to Picard.
Alison Pill was in the HBO series The Newsroom and the Starz Miniseries Pillars of the Earth. She was also in the movie Scott Pilgrim vs the World, which has quite the cult following.
Santiago Cabrera (as well as Treadaway) are pretty well known in the UK. Santiago starred in the BBC series The Musketeers as Aramis (one of the Musketeers) and had a recurring role as Lancelot in the BBC's Merlin. Both The Musketeers and Merlin were on TV in the U.S. as well.
Sooo...lets not risk old friends! But Raffi and Romulan kid....yeah he can risk them. If Romulan kid gets killed....thats not like Worf dying! Picard actually gives a F about Worf. It won't be like someone he CARES about dying. That would actually bother him.
Totally NOT a dick move.
No! What's wrong with you? He doesn't intent to let anyone to die, except perhaps himself. He is assuming that if the push came to shove, his motley crew would let him to make 'the heroic sacrifice,' and not sacrifice themselves instead like Data did.
Tarek is just watching a completely different show that was written, produced and directed by Kurtzman. That's why it doesn't sound like the show everyone else is watching.
But you're missing the point. His current crew is there of their own volition. They can leave whenever. Raffi is even planning to leave at Freecloud. Worf et al. would feel obligated to stay and see the mission through--no matter what happens.
it's about having no one around that sacrifices himself out of a false sense of duty or loyalty, not about letting anyone die.
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He wants to be sure that that anyone who agrees to go with him are doing so 100% by their own choice and not just because they feel such loyalty to Picard that they would unquestioningly do whatever he asked.
Picard said in the 2nd episode (although in not so many words, but we can easily read between the lines) that the reason he would not ask the old crew is because he could not be sure they wouldn't be just doing it out of loyalty to him.
I think Worf and the gang would give their lives for Picard without question, completely willingly--and that, Picard can't even risk. And since his new crew can and will (in his mind) walk away rather than risk their lives, he's good with that.
Won't he be surprised when his new crew starts dying for him left and right!
Ive described the show that we are ALL watching. Maybe you just thought that the BrainGenius was right to say that Picard should not turn to the many he knows, cares about and would do whatever he ask. He needs to turn to the people who HATE him.
That's what you always do when in trouble right? Dont we all hand wave the people who love us, care about us and would love to help? I know I do. Whenever I am trouble, the only people I ask, are the ones I know hate me.
Because that is a 100% rational thing to do. Doesn't everyone refuse to ask friends and allies? It is always to enemies that we ALL turn when we need it most. TOTALLY rational!
To Tarek71's point about JL's dickishness, is Picard being cavalier with the lives of his new crew? I think an argument could be made that he's risking their safety (if not their lives) by going on this mission with him. But this isn't a crew bound to Picard by old loyalty or Starfleet notions of duty. They're all here by choice (even Raffi, although that's a more complicated issue).
Yawn.
People in this thread explained it to you. Not once, not twice, but multiple times over the last few pages. Yet you chose to ignore this explanations posting the same tired rant over and over. Now tell me, do you think that this is rational?
Why do you think Picard's crew are his enemies? His estrangement from Raffi doesn't really rise to the level of enmity. The Tillyish character likes him. Rios is getting paid (and seems to secretly admire Picard). Elnor is upset with Picard for not coming back to play with him, but otherwise seems okay.
Not really sure where you're getting the enemy thing. Not trying to pile on you, your views are worth discussing.
