Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x04 - "Absolute Candor"
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The borg seem a lot less impressive since Janeway and crew wiped the floor with them...
Borg drones buried underneath Arctic ice for 90 years reactivated and without a cube or other Borg ships or functioning technology being present. The debris from the Borg sphere that traveled back to 2063 from the Battle of Sector 001 was without power and just scrap metal.
That cube could come to life at a moment's notice unless the Romulans and former Borg drones like Hugh managed to find a way to prevent a sudden reactivation. Maybe they have neutralized it, but when it comes to intact Borg technology I wouldn't be so sure.
That cube could come to life at a moment's notice unless the Romulans and former Borg drones like Hugh managed to find a way to prevent a sudden reactivation. Maybe they have neutralized it, but when it comes to intact Borg technology I wouldn't be so sure.
See this is the thing. We are not supposed to look at it from the eyes of modern day people looking at the situation because yes, you would be correct in that case because thats who we are. The writers are supposed to be a bit more creative and should be writing it from the perspective of a fictitious federation with ideas that are supposed to be better than our own. It makes for more clever story telling I think. And isn't federation membership a choice for these worlds?
I think the writers in this show understood star trek has always been about using modern day issues to influence the story, but i think the past intention was never to make the federation itself reflect modern day society.
So romulans living in the dirt fighting with swords when they had an interstellar empire where a few industrial replicators could support a planet... Its all a bit odd to me. These big sci-fi universes only work as long as the rules of them are followed and make logical steps in whatever direction they go. It can't just make irrational leaps.
It occurred to me that Q's fabricated future in AGT, while much different from the way reality actually developed as shown in PIC, isn't too far off in a thematic sense for Picard himself. He turned out to be a washed-up has-been who everybody thinks is a crackpot and nobody really wants to believe or help, except for a few charitable individuals.
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Well Odyssey was destroyed by the Dominion
I think he was avoiding wearing anything that said "I'M FROM STARFLEET!"
Except, Trek has always done that. Outer colonies are often treated as more frontier-esque, despite the presence of the technology you describe.
It does have a Bird painted on it, we don't get any clear shots of the bottom, but there are a few frames where it's visible.
No one is saying the show "needs more action." Plenty of ways to have your story move at a faster pace without inserting action.
That looks so cool! I need a model of this Bird of Prey.
The problem is that the Vulcans, Klingons and the general public already knew what was happening. They knew that the Romulans were being cut loose. No one needed him to tell them this. If they wanted a redemption story, make him responsible for what happened. They easily could have done that. Instead, every thing that goes wrong is every ones elses fault but his. Trying to make a redemptive story around him being responsible for what others did and did not do falls flat. If it was in the power of the Vulcans or Klingons to do this, and they decided not to, that is their choice, not his. He is not to blame for that. Make him responsible. They could have, but did not. Quite the opposite.
It still doesn't make sense, the borg incident was resolved with much less loss than it could have been thanks to picard. I think it was generally accepted that the federation was already building ships to deal with the borg at the time the dominion war broke out. It still has to go from that point to accepting all of the ships from 2 space empires wouldn't be able to make a reasonable effort in the time they had. So this week i'm seeing romulans living in dirt streets fighting with swords. With actual government officials living still. And i'm essentially asked to believe the romulan empire (with dozens or hundreds of worlds) fell to a point where this would occur. It just doesn't feel like the right progression to me. But maybe thats just me
Insurrection treats the Borg like having been more of a problem than DS9 suggested. And since this is PIC, I'm trying to look at it on TNG terms.
But I think the bulk of the damage Starfleet took in the 2370s came from the Dominion.
Starfleet probably saw this as an opportunity to turn a lemon into lemonade and build up a new fleet that would also build a bridge to the 25th Century. And they'd phase out whatever was left of the old fleet as they went along.
To pump up the number of ships while the new fleet was being built, they probably decided to bring older ships out of retirement in the meantime to make up for any ships that were lost that weren't slapped together kitbashes. Thus an opportunity to recycle any Disco designs in a way that makes sense. (And a lot of people who don't like DSC shouldn't be complaining since they think those designs look more like they belong in this era anyway!)
It can all work. If you want it to.
There is no universally accepted definition of the Mary Sue. I use Moral Mary Sue to apply to any character, including the hero. It doesnt have to be a magic person who comes to help the Hero from the outside. He is the morally perfect officer here. He stands for all that is Just and True and Good. He always does the Right Thing. He is so noble he will atone for your sins, not just his. And he didnt even sin here.
"Resistance is Futile"
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/02/s...ew-recap-absolute-candor-spoilers-1202211271/
He didn't ... But he's convinced himself that he did.
That's all that matters.
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/02/s...ew-recap-absolute-candor-spoilers-1202211271/
He didn't ... But he's convinced himself that he did.
That's all that matters.
It would have been easier if you just wrote: "never take anything I say seriously ever again."
If I were to think of a "Moral Mary Sue" in Trek, I think more of Janeway who was always shown to be right no matter what actions she takes. Since Picard is trying to fix what he sees as personal failings and regrets it doesn't really strike me as being a "Mary Sue" action.
Everyone is free to disagree. You don't need my permission to have a different opinion. Though a substantive disagreement would be better than a hand wave.
Thats a fair point. I didn't take that into account. I guess that since they showed it being built with cranes and construction equipment, so at the very least they were building something more modern. But wheres the rest of the romulan empire? Even if their government collapsed because it was so centralized, the regional areas would take over pretty quickly. No paved streets but a planetary defence system?
To speak more to episode. The look of that old romulan ship was pretty great. Not sure that guy is going to find spare parts to fix that, it would be smart to have this captain be a secondary antagonist in the series. He'd probably be pretty upset his classic starship was messed up.
