Um, you're leaving out "some things never change", which she says immediately after the "paranoia" part. Indicating that, yes, she did have snakeweed problems before.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"
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Um, you're leaving out "some things never change", which she says immediately after the "paranoia" part. Indicating that, yes, she did have snakeweed problems before.
Like with Discovery I legitimately don't get what show you people are watching where you rate this so highly, the writing, pacing, tone and worldbuilding here is just so, so bad and completely wrong for Star Trek. I know this forum has a bizarre reactionary hatred for Roddenberry and his vision for what Star Trek was, but it's that vision is what made Star Trek so unique among Sci-Fi and on this show. Just with Discovery I'm seeing a generic moody sci-fi show with a Star Trek skin plastered on top, for me this was more forgivable with Discovery as well as it was set pre-TOS, but the TNG/DS9/VOY era Federation is quite well defined and this ain't it. I mean, severe wealth inequality and jealousy over material wealth on earth? Just no. Also, this isn't Picard, at all, I'm watching TNG and it's films alongside this and this is not the same character, in fact, I also just watched the Xmen films and I can say with full confidence Stewart is playing Professor X here.
Also this show is stupid as **** literally an entire room of dead Romulans and can't prove there is a Romulan conspiracy on earth? Just grab your webcam and show it to everyone online, there, done, or even better, use that dumb magic recording device to show literally the entire fight, again, online, to everyone. But... don't as well okay?
Also this show is stupid as **** literally an entire room of dead Romulans and can't prove there is a Romulan conspiracy on earth? Just grab your webcam and show it to everyone online, there, done, or even better, use that dumb magic recording device to show literally the entire fight, again, online, to everyone. But... don't as well okay?
could have easily said last 16 years. making it 14 says the slide started there and then not before jean-luc resigned. she also says that slide won't change. she didn't say changed did she?
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how boring
I take it you have watched DS9? That show was completely anti-roddenberry. Do you have a problem with DS9?
It's been 18 years since we've seen Picard and some bad shit has happened to him. Of course he's going to be different. Patrick Stewart only came back because of the promise he wouldn't be playing the same character he did in TNG. So maybe you should tweet him and tell him how angry you are that he isn't doing things the way you want him to. I'd love to see how he responds. Chances are he'd ignore you.
@everybody who thinks sth ain't realistic enough and nobody would do stuff the way it's done here
any competend assassin would have shoved a fat bomb into the chateau and be done with it.
case closed - star trek: picard ends 27 minutes into the third episode
the other seven epsodes could have been handed over to star trek: galactic csi and shown their efforts to prove who actually has been in the chateau when it was vapourized.
who needs that?
any competend assassin would have shoved a fat bomb into the chateau and be done with it.
case closed - star trek: picard ends 27 minutes into the third episode
the other seven epsodes could have been handed over to star trek: galactic csi and shown their efforts to prove who actually has been in the chateau when it was vapourized.
who needs that?
No it wasn't. DS9 also did not take place in the Federation. DS9 also made it very clear that Earth was a utopia even if DS9, Bajor etc wasn't. Also if you think DS9 was anti-Roddenberry you don't actually get DS9.
The Federation we are seeing in Picard is literally Trump/Brexit era UK/US with teleporters and shuttlecraft. No way in a million years would the Federation have such a massive cultural shift in the span of a few years dropping all it's ideals for petty xenophobia and racism. Especially when Earth itself has suffered far worse attacks from the Breen, Borg and Xindi which did not result in widespread xenophobia and racism.
This show is just the lame "Failed Federation" plot that gets pitched, without actually having the guts to actually destroy the Federation.
"It's been 18 years since we've seen Picard and some bad shit has happened to him. "
And that doesn't stop the fact it's just not the same character, the mannerisms are different, the thought processes are entirely different, the way he's speaking and acting is entirely different.
People can change, but not that much and this just isn't the same character. This IS Professor Xavier from Xmen though. If you go watch Logan you will see he is playing Professor X here.
"Patrick Stewart only came back because of the promise he wouldn't be playing the same character he did in TNG."
Then don't have the show called Picard, based on Picard, if you're not going to play Picard.
"So maybe you should tweet him and tell him how angry you are that he isn't doing things the way you want him to. I'd love to see how he responds. Chances are he'd ignore you."
Oh wow I would be so hurt and this means literally anything to the fact it's still not the same character we saw in TNG on any level.
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Snakeweed sounds like an '80s metal band that broke up when the lead singer married a girl from one of their music videos.
Except there was xenophobia depicted in Enterprise - Terra Prime, TNG in I, Borg, Starfleet want to use Hugh to commit genocide against the Borg, in DS9 the Federation Council voted to hold off giving the Dominion the cure to the genocidal virus Section 31 inflicted on the Founders, and there was ongoing racism depicted in TOS vs. the Romulans and Klingons due to wars between them and the Earth/the Federation.
You're clutching at some very tiny straws. DS9 would not have been made if Roddenberry was alive. It had religion, conflict between characters and a war, all things that Roddenberry avoided having in TNG. Earth may have been a utopia but there are multiple times where that utopia is questioned. The Maquis shined a light on more questionable aspects of Federation foreign policy, we see how war impacts 24th century humans and we have a Starfleet Captain aiding and abetting in the murder of a foreign dignitary to trick a sovereign interstellar power into a war. You're seriously telling me that's Roddenberryian?
What widespread Racism are you talking about? Was there a scene of Laris being told to move to the back of a bus that I missed? If you mean the Federation not being willing to help a race that has been and enemy for 300 years, well we've seen this before haven't we. The Undiscovered Country had Starfleets top admirals demanding the Klingons be brought to their knees. Captain Kirk was fine with letting all the Klingons die. Starfleet officers said things like 'I hear only top of the line models can even talk'. And before you say 'it was the 23rd century' or some shit, racism still existed in the 24th. O'brien calling Cardassians spoon heads and saying things like 'the bloody cardies can't be trusted'. Starfleet was distrustful of Odo and reffered to him as a 'shapeshifter' in a pretty negative way. Worf refused to save the life of a Romulan, Starfleet officers were mistrustful of Data and treated him like shit. The utopia you claim to exist was there but it was a very thin veneer.
You're blatantly ignoring what you're criticising Picard for in parts of the franchise you like. That's pretty intellectually dishonest.
Indeed. I really don't like the darker Federation shown on Picard, but I had the exact same problem with DS9.
Picard at the end of TNG wasn't even the same as the Picard at the start of TNG. Stewarts acting is different, Picard is a more relaxed character, less distant from his crew, more emotional. Picard in First Contact is different as well, he's obsessive and vengeful and kills borgified crew members without a second thought. It's almost like Stewart portrays him as a REAL HUMAN BEING. Picard is also 93 at this point, expecting him to be the same as he was when he was 50 is like expecting him to be how he was when he was 25 in his 50's.
Patrick Stewart is loving the way he gets to portray Picard now and that's good enough for me.
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Paradise always looks perfect from a distance, its a different story once you get closer and start paying attention to the detail.
You start to realise that there is a cost in creating and maintaining it.
You start to realise that there is a cost in creating and maintaining it.
I just re-watched all of TNG and its movies. All of it. Within the last few months. Picard in PIC feels like the same character 20 years later and with the beginnings of Irumodic Syndrome.
At 40, I'm not the same as I was when I was 20. There are similarities but not everything's the same. Same case with Picard, now that he's 94, failed to save a world (not his fault but he still blames himself), had no choice but to leave Starfleet, and had been a recluse until now where he's begun to find himself again.
I would say the Picard in Picard feels a Hell of a lot more like Picard than he did in Nemesis, where he was on the verge of becoming like Jason Statham.
Picard wouldn't have been happy with the direction Starfleet was going in from DS9 on. Using the attack on Mars as an excuse to not help the Romulans would've been the straw that broke the camel's back. He didn't want to be part of a Starfleet that won't save lives. If that doesn't sound like Picard, I don't know what does. Picard changed, but not as much as Starfleet had already been. And the two finally collided.
At 40, I'm not the same as I was when I was 20. There are similarities but not everything's the same. Same case with Picard, now that he's 94, failed to save a world (not his fault but he still blames himself), had no choice but to leave Starfleet, and had been a recluse until now where he's begun to find himself again.
I would say the Picard in Picard feels a Hell of a lot more like Picard than he did in Nemesis, where he was on the verge of becoming like Jason Statham.
Picard wouldn't have been happy with the direction Starfleet was going in from DS9 on. Using the attack on Mars as an excuse to not help the Romulans would've been the straw that broke the camel's back. He didn't want to be part of a Starfleet that won't save lives. If that doesn't sound like Picard, I don't know what does. Picard changed, but not as much as Starfleet had already been. And the two finally collided.
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Is that actually a real theory out there?? Wow...
Made by fans of both series I suppose. Go figure!!
Opinions/Assholes...........Sorry you don't enjoy it but take it back a couple of notches. Also I am pretty sure that the me of today is QUITE a bit different than the me of 15-18 years ago. Picard IS Picard and I THINK the guy who originated the role might have a better grasp on it. Seriously try to keep the tone here civil.
James Kirk wasn't the same man by TUC and GEN as he was in TOS, nor even in TMP. A career of life-changing experiences alters a person, not always for the better but frequently so.
They could change that at will. Probably won't, but they could.
TARDIS. The whole chateau is a TARDIS. Next episode, you'll see it flying. Mark my words...
Yup. And by the series finale Picard will be replaced in a new body. Another actor will replace Sir Patrick as Picard is revealed as a time Doctor
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