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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x03 - "The End is the Beginning"

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Perhaps maybe, the "...episodes seem way too short", because you are subconsciously enjoying them and the time seems to flow by quicker?

It is weird how short they have been. 46, 43, and 44 minutes. Basically it seems like they're trying to keep to broadcast length even though it's a streaming-only show everywhere except Canada. Discovery never bothered with this.
 
Yeah, and that includes titles, closing credits, recaps, next times and what seem like filler scenes to pad the length.

Personally, I prefer this pacing to the frenetic, don’t-think-too-much approach Discovery likes to use, but I get the complaints. And I do think these three eps would have been better as a single two-hour premiere.
 
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They should have had Saavik. She'd only be about 140-150 years old at this point. She was originally half-Romulan. Natural choice to replace the lost Spock as a representative to Romulus, or whatever is left of it.
Well she did have the Curtis Saavik's hair. ;)

Solo doesn't have inner pains.
Not anymore. (Too soon?)

That green extremely acid thing of theirs. It makes me think of Alien (the movie), maybe they found a nest of these things...
So they're taking it's blood and making it into suicide pills?

peaking of ship specs, that whole speech by Picard about how Rios' ship was kept to Starfleet specs wasn't just odd, it was absurd. Considering the sheer variety of Starfleet interiors (some even of the same ship as seen of the Enterprise in Discovery), it seems highly unlikely Picard could know if Rios' ship was in Starfleet shape unless he read the tech details on a PADD or something.
Specs here means standards not blueprints.
 
As I said upthread, Michelle Hurd let slip the backstory of her character on The Ready Room. She was kinda a fuckup and a drug addict prior to Picard, who rescued her to a great degree. Therefore it's not so much that Picard was personally responsible for her downfall, as it is without him there to set a good example and keep her out of trouble everything unraveled quickly.
I don't watch The Ready Room. I'm just describing how it came across onscreen in that episode without any extra information.

Actually, the episode suggests, and it was my impression, that she was fired immediately after Picard met with them. Remember she got the message to meet the C in C? Presumably to be fired for her connection to Picard. As it was presented, she didn't have time to get in trouble on her own and then got fired for that. But, I can see her spiraling down further over time afterwards.

It's not a huge deal. In real life, people get blamed for stuff that's not their fault all the time.
 
Two former Tal Shiar agents who had weapons stashed literally everywhere.
Yeah, and the "SWAT" team would've been anticipating them. Maybe even render them unconscious before entering the building. Just not believable. But, yeah, it's fiction!
 
Perhaps maybe, the "...episodes seem way too short", because you are subconsciously enjoying them and the time seems to flow by quicker?
It could be that. I don't dislike them. But, I think it's more that there's not a lot in them.
 
I think it's likely the whole attack was staged to insert Agnes, likely brainwashed via a mind meld by Oh, into the group.
Now *that* would be a cool twist! I like it! :techman:

I will be a bit disappointed if turns out not to be true.
 
Yeah, and that includes titles, closing credits, recaps and what seem like filler scenes to pad the length.

Personally, I prefer this pacing to the frenetic, don’t-think-too-much approach Discovery likes to use, but I get the complaints. And I do think these three eps would have been better as a single two-hour premiere.
I think the first three being a two hour premiere would've been perfect. You get the setup, the mystery, backstories, etc., and it ends with them starting the mission. Perfect.
 
Actually, the episode suggests, and it was my impression, that she was fired immediately after Picard met with them. Remember she got the message to meet the C in C? Presumably to be fired for her connection to Picard.

IMHO it doesn't make sense to just see this as a "political" firing. It's more likely that Raffi had already done things which would have resulted in her being dishonorably discharged if she worked under anyone else, and was only keeping her rank by virtue of Picard.
 
IMHO it doesn't make sense to just see this as a "political" firing. It's more likely that Raffi had already done things which would have resulted in her being dishonorably discharged if she worked under anyone else, and was only keeping her rank by virtue of Picard.
Definitely possible. Going strictly by information in the episode, it appeared that she was fired because of Picard. However, if she was already seen by Starfleet as being troublemaker, that makes it easier for them to justify firing her.
 
It is weird how short they have been. 46, 43, and 44 minutes. Basically it seems like they're trying to keep to broadcast length even though it's a streaming-only show everywhere except Canada. Discovery never bothered with this.

Length of the first 3 Discovery episodes: 44, 39, 49 minutes.
 
I don't watch The Ready Room. I'm just describing how it came across onscreen in that episode without any extra information.

Actually, the episode suggests, and it was my impression, that she was fired immediately after Picard met with them. Remember she got the message to meet the C in C? Presumably to be fired for her connection to Picard. As it was presented, she didn't have time to get in trouble on her own and then got fired for that. But, I can see her spiraling down further over time afterwards.

It's not a huge deal. In real life, people get blamed for stuff that's not their fault all the time.
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Yeah, and the "SWAT" team would've been anticipating them. Maybe even render them unconscious before entering the building. Just not believable. But, yeah, it's fiction!
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It could be that. I don't dislike them. But, I think it's more that there's not a lot in them.
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Now *that* would be a cool twist! I like it! :techman:

I will be a bit disappointed if turns out not to be true.
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I think the first three being a two hour premiere would've been perfect. You get the setup, the mystery, backstories, etc., and it ends with them starting the mission. Perfect.
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It is weird how short they have been. 46, 43, and 44 minutes. Basically it seems like they're trying to keep to broadcast length even though it's a streaming-only show everywhere except Canada. Discovery never bothered with this.

I have no way to prove this but I think someday someone might want to add Picard to the TNG Package. I think H&I would be very interested in having this series one day in the distant future. BBC America too. Old Trek isn't going anywhere. Those channels will still be airing them for a long time.
 
I have no way to prove this but I think someday someone might want to add Picard to the TNG Package. I think H&I would be very interested in having this series one day in the distant future. BBC America too. Old Trek isn't going anywhere. Those channels will still be airing them for a long time.

Likely all those channels will cease to exist in a few years. I expect cable television to be dead for all intents by 2030 completely replaced by streaming.
 
Try as I might, I just don't get the criticism that the show is too slow, or that little has happened. The pace of this series is very much like a book, with each chapter progressing the story. So much has happened! You don't need to go anywhere to have character drama, and I admire the delicate character work and world-building this series has given us. It's very gracefully plotted.

From my perspective, this is also by far the most lived-in, developed world Trek has ever given us. It's human where it matters to me: stuffed arm chairs on spaceships, pillows that aren't triangular, a real sense of people being people, indulgent cheeses, and all the bits of glass and baubles at Raffi's place. People live in a generally better world, no doubt, but they're not perfect, and they're certainly still people, with the little joys and practicalities.

Basically, the fact that Vasquez Rocks is now Vasquez Rocks kind of embodies the newly unfussy, grounded world of this Star Trek. I love it.
 
Likely all those channels will cease to exist in a few years. I expect cable television to be dead for all intents by 2030 completely replaced by streaming.

I hope you're wrong, only because I'd have to look for a new job. I just started the one I have in September. Cable is the main provider for Public Access Stations. Hopefully we adapt, but that's not my call. :p
 
I hope you're wrong, only because I'd have to look for a new job. I just started the one I have in September. Cable is the main provider for Public Access Stations. Hopefully we adapt, but that's not my call. :p

Public Access Stations will likely move to youtube or the like when cable TV rolls up its carpet. Lots of avenues to continue operating after cable TV is gone the way of the dodo.
 
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