Holy crap, you'd have a pile of chips a mile high on the "Gene's Vision" and "Federation would never do that" squares. "Writers never watched Star Trek" and "Alex K is bad" would be pretty close behind.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"
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Holy crap, you'd have a pile of chips a mile high on the "Gene's Vision" and "Federation would never do that" squares. "Writers never watched Star Trek" and "Alex K is bad" would be pretty close behind.
But that's my point...I'm hoping there's some sort of explanation as to why relations suddenly went cold again to the point where a large portion of the Federation would rather see the Romulans wiped out than saved.
Well the writers clearly screwed up confusing the Prime Directive with the Federation general policy of non-interference in internal affairs of other species. I blame TOS for not clarifying it earlier.
I was concerned when they were going to introduce the profanity in "DSC" but I didn't mind Tilly's use of it. I just don't think it was necessary. I don't want to be the "get off my lawn" guy, but I just don't think it needs to be in Trek. I was really put off by it in last night's episode. It's not because I'm offended by it, it just seemed out of place. Is it just CBS All Access dictating to the writers to make the show more adult in nature? Do they think that if we are paying for the product, we want more HBO like content? If I want to watch "Shameless" or "Veep" I expect it and find it funny. I really think that the 2 uses of it didn't need to be there. Actually, I had to put on the CC in order to catch Laris' use of it. I don't know how it helped the story. I think that Adm. Clancy's talking down to Picard would have been equally effective without her use of it.
Despite that, I'm loving this show.
He came to power through a bloody coup that eliminated the Romulans' proper leadership.
I would imagine those members closest to the Romulan border might have a different opinion than those further away.
disagreeing with the federal government provoked a bloody civil war
Without having read the bulk of the thread so far:
Holy shit do I love this new show!
I didn't love this particular episode, not as much as the previous one. But I love almost everything within it.
It's really more of a set-up episode. And this week, the plot was very thin. Picard decides to go to space (but didn't do any real progress in this episode), and all the character work is mostly hints and set-ups. So all in all, this episode wasn't as satisfying either on the character or the plot side.
I do think the Romulan spies within Starfleet are a bit of a cheap trick - to add more of a ticking clock and action into the main plot. But that's fine by me. It was clear from the beginning there's never going to be a mainstream SF show without a villain plot. And as far as villain plots go - this one is refreshingly complex and multi-sided. I'm definitely more invested in all the Romulan badguys than I was for Voq or whatever.
Most importantly, I goddamn love the worldbuilding on this show!
The wrecked Borg cube being a Romulan reclamation site, with multi-planetary scientists being invited to join the research. That shit is absolutely real.
I have absolutely no idea where this plot is going to lead us. So far, looks like a Romulans vs. A.I. story, but no idea how the Borg will fit in with that. Guess it will end up as a full-on Borg story somehow. But it's absolutely obvious the writers have a clear plan what this story is about, and where it will lead us. And I just love being on the ride, when I know the ride is handled that well.
Other things:
8/10
Holy shit do I love this new show!
I didn't love this particular episode, not as much as the previous one. But I love almost everything within it.
It's really more of a set-up episode. And this week, the plot was very thin. Picard decides to go to space (but didn't do any real progress in this episode), and all the character work is mostly hints and set-ups. So all in all, this episode wasn't as satisfying either on the character or the plot side.
I do think the Romulan spies within Starfleet are a bit of a cheap trick - to add more of a ticking clock and action into the main plot. But that's fine by me. It was clear from the beginning there's never going to be a mainstream SF show without a villain plot. And as far as villain plots go - this one is refreshingly complex and multi-sided. I'm definitely more invested in all the Romulan badguys than I was for Voq or whatever.
Most importantly, I goddamn love the worldbuilding on this show!
The wrecked Borg cube being a Romulan reclamation site, with multi-planetary scientists being invited to join the research. That shit is absolutely real.
I have absolutely no idea where this plot is going to lead us. So far, looks like a Romulans vs. A.I. story, but no idea how the Borg will fit in with that. Guess it will end up as a full-on Borg story somehow. But it's absolutely obvious the writers have a clear plan what this story is about, and where it will lead us. And I just love being on the ride, when I know the ride is handled that well.
Other things:
- I love the beginning /flashback to the attack on Mars. As far as SF-A.I. revolutions go, this was a very low-budget one. But the guy playing the android is absolutely amazing creepy. And I really love the humanity of the workers. Yes, they were a bit mean (something we wouldn't have seen on TNG). But they were acting really human. As a TOS fan, I absolutely love that.
- The f-bomb drop was pretty good. I really love the argument between Picard and the admiral. Yes. she was a dick. But, again, I can see both sides. That's a good tv antagonist. She's not evil. Nor stupid. Nor entirely wrong. We just disagree fundamentally
- Dislike the DIS-Enterprise making an appearence. It's an ok design. But it's never going to replace Kirk's iconic original one. Neither within canon. Especially not in real life.
- So the older Romulan couple was Tal-Shiar? I was hoping they would not be. But something like that was inevitable, and I think it was handled the best way possible
- I really like the name-dropping of Riker, Troi, Geordie. And especially the reason Picard decides not to go to them. Well done.
8/10
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thta's pushing it - to me she did 'all right' which with starfleet admirals is certainly 'above average'
Which wouldn't have been possible if said proper leadership hadn't cloned Picard and placed said clone in the dilithium mines of Remus.
Actually, no. In TOS, the PD protected nobody but our heroes. Primitives could be rather freely contacted, involved in commercial and political deals, and told how to behave; the PD just said Starfleet agents should not unduly reveal themselves on infiltration missions. It was the UFP members that Kirk couldn't touch, even if those happened to practice slavery and torture.
What sort of nonsense is this? The UFP didn't "stand by". It fought a frigging WAR with Cardassia!
And a fat lot of good it did to Bajor. Cardassians seemed to lose every fight we ever saw or heard of, but they just wouldn't give up. What more could the UFP have done?
Timo Saloniemi
The previous Romulan government wasn't all that much more ethical than Shinzon's regime. Most of them weren't.
Side note: I absolutely LOVE the Romulan make-up in this series. The ears, brows, etc. are perfect. I like that there is a very mild forehead prosthetic that slightly differentiates some from Vulcans but isn't as crappy and obtrusive as the ones in TNG. I also like that they have varied hair styles, instead of the awful haircuts they've had in the past.
Wasn't the previous Praetor Neral who tricked Spock? Really nice guys these praetors.
I like the Disco Enterprise. I pretend the Cage and WNMHGB uniforms are dress uniforms and the Cage and WNMHGB bridges are a different bridge module for the dangerous galaxy barrier crossing (and a temp module for the Rigel mission during a bridge upgrade)
Actually in the late 2340s as well. Setlik III where Miles O'Brien fought was around 2348.
This matches my opinion exactly.
TMP Enterprise > Disco Enterprise > Abrams Enterprise
Yeah, he was Praetor in 2374 so he was likely the Praetor before the one assassinated by Shinzon.
Wow dude...that's a bit harsh. Quite frankly, I think she told Picard what he needed to hear. That doesn't mean I don't like Picard...but I think this was good stuff.
Yeah. Bunch of dicks, typically.
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